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AnnieW

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Over on the "Birds and Poetry" thread, Gordon Hammlet mentioned the folklore associated with the wren. I'd completely forgotten about this, but the tradition is referred to on a Steeleye Span album "Please to See the King". The king in this case is the wren and on the album, the song "The King" harks back to the tradition that Gordon refers to. This is from the sleeve notes of the album :

The wren traditionally symbolised winter and the robin summer. On twelfth night in Pembrokeshire, where the song was collected, a wren was hunted and killed to symbolise the death of winter and then placed in a garlanded box and taken from door to door. At each house this song was sung and the occupants asked to pay to see the dead wren with the words “Please to see the King.”

Traditionally, it was the Goldcrest with its bright plumage that was considered to be "the King" - the Lord of Misrule, but as these were quite difficult to find,the wren was decorated with bright ribbons in place of the goldcrest (though based on experience of trying to spot them, why a wren shold be considered any easier to catch defies me !!)

Anyway, this got me thinking about the folklore associated with other birds.

To start the ball rolling there is the myth associated with the ravens at the tower of London - tradition has it that England will not fall while there are ravens present at the tower ; hence, tame ravens are always kept there - just in case. I know ravens also feature in North American folklore - I seem to remember that the raven is believed to have created land by dropping stones in the sea (can someone confirm this and its origin ??)

A friend of mine who farms has also mentioned that traditionally having swallows nesting in your barn is good, as it means the barn will not be hit by lightening - she doesn't know the origin, just that its something her grandparents passed down and it is a common piece of folklore amongst farmers.

Then there's the origin of the term "Halcyon Days". The kingfisher (referred to in ancient Greek as the Halcyon Bird) which according to ancient legend, was thought to nest at sea. It was believed to be responsible for calming the seas around the time of the winter solstice to allow its eggs to incubate. Another one I have heard about the Kingfisher is that it got its colours when in biblical times it flew high above the Ark to survey the flood waters. It flew too close to the sun thus scorching its head red - and its back became the colour of the sky.

What others do people out there know - and are there any common themes around the world ???

Annie
 
Stacks of stuff out there, I'm sure.

A lot to do with rain!

i.e.

The Robin's autumn song is 'watery' and thus predicts rain.

A Rook flying into a dead tree predicts rain.

Crows 'a-break-necking' predict rain.

The Green Woodpecker's yaffling call predicts rain - it's often called the 'rain bird.'

I'll post a few more when I've had chance to think of a few old ones!

Adey
 
There are many books on different aspects and birds and folklore. If you want to narrow down the subject matter eg species or country, I'll try to make some recommendations

There's a lot about wren mythology on http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/9314/stevewren.html

As well as the Steeleye Span version you mention, look out for a Martin Carthy 4 disc boxed set. On the album Carthy in company (FRCD62) there are several versions of wren songs including a wonderful spoof - hunting the cutty wren - with June Tabor all about how the tradition started and ending up with Kentucky fried wren!

Gordon
 
Someone once told me that
- nesting House Martins under the eaves of your house was a good luck omen. Whereas the "devil`s bird" (Swift) was a bad luck omen.
 
One of many books that I don't like picking up when I'm busy is "Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable". Does any one else here have it on their bookshelves? To say it's a treasure trove is to choose a cliche that does it no justice at all. Here's a titbit about the swallow:

"Swallow According to Scandinavian tradition, this bird hovered over the Christ's cross, crying “Svala! svala!” (Console! console!) whence it was called svalow, 'the bird of consolation'.

The swallow is said to bring home from the sea-shore a stone which gives sight to her fledglings.

It is lucky for a swallow to build about one's house. This is a Roman superstition. Ælian says that the swallow was sacred to the Penate or household gods, and therefore to injure one would be to bring wrath upon your own house.

It is unlucky to kill a swallow.

"Perhaps you failed in your foreseeing skill,
For swallows are unlucky birds to kill.”
Dryden: Hind and Panther, part iii.
 
gordon hamlett said:
As well as the Steeleye Span version you mention, look out for a Martin Carthy 4 disc boxed set. On the album Carthy in company (FRCD62) there are several versions of wren songs including a wonderful spoof - hunting the cutty wren - with June Tabor all about how the tradition started and ending up with Kentucky fried wren!

Gordon
Thanks for this Gordon - anything with June Tabor is worth looking out for .... I'm just heading off to Amazon !!!
 
scampo said:
One of many books that I don't like picking up when I'm busy is "Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable". Does any one else here have it on their bookshelves? To say it's a treasure trove is to choose a cliche that does it no justice at all. Here's a titbit about the swallow:
Oh Yes ..... I recognise Brewer's Syndrome very well. It's an ideal guilty distraction when you know you should be doing something else !! I came across a great birdie quote in there : "It is not only fine feathers that make fine birds - Aesop"

Annie
 
One for Sorrow, Two for Joy, Three for???

Well it depends on the source I think.

The old "Magpie" theme went Three for a Girl and Four for a Boy, but I 've also heard (perhaps elsewhere on BF) Three for a Wedding, Four for a Birth.

etc. etc.
 
If you see only one Magpie,one is supposed to keep ones fingers crossed until you see the 2cnd bird,but if you say "please give my regards to Mrs Magpie and the children",then all will be well!!.
No.I am not senile ,yet!!and yes I do send my greetings to Mrs Magpie!!
 
birdman said:
One for Sorrow, Two for Joy, Three for???

Well it depends on the source I think.

The old "Magpie" theme went Three for a Girl and Four for a Boy, but I 've also heard (perhaps elsewhere on BF) Three for a Wedding, Four for a Birth.

etc. etc.
There are lots of different versions of this - the old Scottish rhyme is :

One’s sorrow, two’s mirth,Three’s a wedding, four’s a birth,Five’s a christening, six a dearth,Seven’s heaven, eight is hell,And nine’s the, devil his ane sel’

The practice of prediciting the future by counting the number of Crows or Magpies dates back centuries with the first counting rhymes appearing in the 1600s - but I'm not sure why crows/magpies in particular .... anyone any ideas ???
 
christineredgat said:
If you see only one Magpie,one is supposed to keep ones fingers crossed until you see the 2cnd bird,but if you say "please give my regards to Mrs Magpie and the children",then all will be well!!.
No.I am not senile ,yet!!and yes I do send my greetings to Mrs Magpie!!
Well I've not come across that - but as I have a lone magpie that frequents a large tree at the bottom of the garden .... I'll be sure to greet it accordingly in future !!
 
Just another superstition,Annie,there are lots related to birds,there are several re the Cuckoo,as to when it is first heard etc.Thanks for all the poems by the way,I had a field day printing them all off and reading them,hope you have caught up on your work from Sunday!!.
 
christineredgat said:
........ hope you have caught up on your work from Sunday!!.
Rats .... I was trying to forget ;)

You mentioned cuckoos - I came across this rather macabre children's rhyme :

'Cuckoo, cherry tree,
Good bird tell me,
How many years before I die'


Apparently the answer is the number of times the child next hears the bird call !! The significance of the cherry tree relates to a myth that the cuckoo must eat 3 meals of cherries before it stops calling (note to self : must plant cherry tree)

I was talking to a Kiwi friend of mine today, who told me a great Maori legend of "How the Kiwi lost its wings" .... it's bit long to reproduce, but if anyone's interested it can be found from the link below :

http://www.maori.org.nz/purakau/index.htm

I've found these sort of things fascinating ever since I read Rudyard Kipling's Just So Stories as a child.
 
"There are lots of different versions of this - the old Scottish rhyme is :


“One’s sorrow, two’s mirth,Three’s a wedding, four’s a birth,Five’s a christening, six a dearth,Seven’s heaven, eight is hell,And nine’s the, devil his ane sel’"

Whats 30?
 
I'm not sure that this is one I'd want to try, but I've just been told that according to Icelandic folklore, if you hold a hawk's tongue beneath your own, you will gain the ability to understand the language of birds.

Have any of our Icelandic members come across this ???

Edited because of potentially misleading typo !!
 
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Tradition : Magpies in England

I know there is a rhyme "one for sorrow" etc., whilst counting the magpies.My father will also say either "pip.pip.pip" or "good morning Mr.Magpie" to ward off bad luck !
Don[t forget also the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner" by Coleridge with the albatross being killed = bad luck.
Off the point slightly,but black cats in UK are good luck,but in most countries I believe they are bad luck.There are rooks building a rookery a few miles away,fairly high in the trees,a sign (in theory) of a good Spring !
Mervyn.
 
The Lancashire version for magpies is that you have to say 'Good Morning Mr Magpie' three times for every bird you see.

Their version of the magpie rhyme includes the somewhat unpleasant couplet

'...
five for rich, six for poor
seven's a bitch, eight's a whore ...

Gordon
 
I'm trying to remember the tale with the cuckoo.If you hear the Cuckoo call during a certain month it will be a good summer,and I think there is another story where you must hear the cuckoo before another bird.
All sounds somewhat obscure,but it is a genuine country folklore saying.Some one may perhaps know
 
Just to put the record straight about that much maligned bird the dodo ! I live in Oxford,in the University Museum there are bones of the last dodo,which lived for some years in a zoo,London I think.Experts have decided that the paintings/drawings are misleading as it was overfed and in the wild the birds would have been much slimmer ! Due to Lewis Carroll/Christchurch College/Alice books etc.,it is a popular point to visit,particularly in the school holidays.
Mervyn.
 
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