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Best Binoc under $300 (maybe $400) (1 Viewer)

Nomatic

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I'm looking at the Nikon Monarch 10x42, the ZEN-RAY ED 8x43 the Leupold Cascades 10x42.

I could also go up to a slightly higher priced binoc, such as the Leupold Mohave 10x50 or the Olympic 10x50.

Would the larger aperture make much difference?

is the difference worth $100?

Also, does anyone know if the Monarchs, Zen-rays, or the Leupolds have Bak4 prisms?

Any suggestions, reviews, thoughts, musings, or even rants appreciated!

Thanks guys.

PS: I own a 10x42 wild bird center branded binoc and a swift 8x42. dunno the model of either buts they're at least 5 years old. How much better are new binocs these days?
 
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Good choices: at $300 you probably can't beat the Nikon, and at $400 you can't beat the Zen. If weight is an issue, maybe the Nikon is tops. If not, the Zen is a keeper. I have the 8x43 ED2 and love it. A big, wide, easy view that's razor sharp.

Right now, you can get the Vortex Viper 8x42 for $450. I haven't seen it but it's as light as the Nikon, but with ED glass like the Zen. Tempting.

For me, anything bigger than 42/43 is out--too much to lug around. All the bins you'd be considering would have BaK4 so I wouldn't worry about that.

Hope this helps.
 
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Havent tried them myself,But i have heard plenty of good reviews for the Bushnell Legend HD series .A Roof binocular that uses ED glass and is under 300$.
 
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Well I bought a pair of the Zen Ed 8x43's, and I think I'll definitely notice an improvement over my 5 or 10 year old swifts. Got them for only $300, so I'm happy. A bit worried about the weight though, as I'll be backpacking with them frequently. Oh well, the old saying, "Light, well made, and cheap, choose two..." definitely applies here. ;)
 
Well, I didn't know about the backpacking. The Zen at 27 ounces will be a big chunk to carry, both in size and weight, so you may want to move down to a midsize or compact. Don't worry about buying the Zen, though. It's so darn good you may not want to part with it anyway. The 7x36 ED2 weighs around 22 ounces and is somewhat more compact. It gives a sweet view, too.

I've always used 8-10 ounce compacts for backpacking, but recently I've decided to give a 20 ounce midsize a chance (Zeiss 8x32 FL). The improved view might be worth the extra weight. The fact is that moving from a 20-25mm compact to a 30-32mm midsize gives an easier view for sure.

It's really up to you how critical the weight/size will be. Backpackers run the gamut from freaky ultra-lighters with 18 lb packs to packhorses lugging 60. I've always been somewhere in the middle--35 is about as high as I want to go. For me, at any rate, the Zen 8x43 is too much.
 
Hmm, the Zens are backordered. Rethinking my decision now.

So, now its the monarchs, the zens or the Leupold Mojave or Olympic. I can get them all for basically the same price.

Which one would you get?

I like the open frame design so I'd lean towards the mojave, but it seems pretty unreviewed. I liek the Zen, but its HEAVY.

I like the olympic, but its no open frame, and I like the monarch, but its ubiquitous.
 
Yeah you guys are probably right, but whats 7 ounces? I can always bring less food. :D

True, and on a 16 day trip last summer I lost 9 lbs anyway, so why worry about the bins!

Seriously, though, if they're on your neck all day it adds up. Last year I used these sweet little Olympians:

http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-Track...G33J/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1297351567&sr=8-1

The belt loop on the case slipped onto the sternum strap and I never even noticed them. But they were always ready. And don't forget that big bins have big cases (the Zen has a hardshell no less) and wider straps so all told the Zen probably weighs over 20 ounces more than the Olympus. It adds up.
 
Hmm, the Zens are backordered. Rethinking my decision now.

So, now its the monarchs, the zens or the Leupold Mojave or Olympic. I can get them all for basically the same price.

Which one would you get?

I like the open frame design so I'd lean towards the mojave, but it seems pretty unreviewed. I liek the Zen, but its HEAVY.

I like the olympic, but its no open frame, and I like the monarch, but its ubiquitous.

Most people in your situation would probably get two bins--one for regular use and one for backpacking. So maybe you want to keep the Zens for regular use and get a compact for backpacking? An inexpensive reverse porro compact can be had for under $100 (there are lots of threads on cheap compacts); you could upgrade later on if more money frees up.

Best,
Jim
 
You should get the 7x36 ZEN ED2, about the same size and weight as Monarch. I like its open frame design and stellar image. If 10x is a must have feature, consider the 10x42 Monarch, 10x42 ZRS HD and 10x43 ZEN ED2.
 
Hmmm, both the two binocs idea and the ed2 idea are out of my price range. Anyone have the leupold Mohave or Olympic? Could you tell me how you like em?

Thanks.
 
Well I probably have them on me most of the time, so I want one good light pair. Anyone know about the mojaves? I saw a review that said their fov was narrow, but that was an older model, the new one has a much better fov. Anyone own em?
 
Hmm, the Zens are backordered. Rethinking my decision now.

So, now its the monarchs, the zens or the Leupold Mojave or Olympic. I can get them all for basically the same price.

Which one would you get?

I like the open frame design so I'd lean towards the mojave, but it seems pretty unreviewed. I liek the Zen, but its HEAVY.

I like the olympic, but its no open frame, and I like the monarch, but its ubiquitous.

Zen-Ray still has them in stock.

http://www.zen-ray.com/shop/binoculars/zened/zened-8x43.html

They have 20% off coupon (SAVE20 ?) so it will get you right at $300 mark.
 
One of the X factors facing a purchaser of the latest and greatest mid range binoculars is the instrument' s mechanical reliability. Optical glass is pretty darn durable, but a great deal of trust is placed in the rest of the pieces that make up the whole. Perhaps I'm becoming more skeptical as I age, but I think some real mechanical junk is being passed off as quality stuff. These Johnny come lately manufacturers are in it for the short haul. Their life time guarantees mean nothing when they are no longer in business.
John
 
the x-factor

One of the X factors facing a purchaser of the latest and greatest mid range binoculars is the instrument' s mechanical reliability. Optical glass is pretty darn durable, but a great deal of trust is placed in the rest of the pieces that make up the whole. Perhaps I'm becoming more skeptical as I age, but I think some real mechanical junk is being passed off as quality stuff. These Johnny come lately manufacturers are in it for the short haul. Their life time guarantees mean nothing when they are no longer in business.
John

Okay, I hate to admit it, but I'm becoming an "old fart" too, though I hope I won't become "stuck in my ways" like my father, who has eaten the same thing for breakfast for the past 20 years!

When one enters "old fartdom" there is a tendency to reminiscence about ye olde days and to romanticize about how "they sure don't make 'em like they used to". Of course, if you're talking about porros, that's irrefutable. :)

My dad had a '55 Chevy, and it was almost as unreliable as my Saab (now defunct along with the company that made it), and neither vehicle was anywhere nearly as reliable as my 1986 Honda Civic, which was a Johnny-Come-Lately, New Kid in Town, at least relative to GM, which had been around since 1908. I used to work at a Chevy dealership and some of the early 1990s models weren't much better than their '50s cars in terms of reliability. I remember recall after recall after recall.

I also remember what people used to say about the "Made in Japan" Toyota and Honda cars in the 1970s - "a piece of junk" - a "death trap". Well, up until recently when Toyota decided it wanted to become GM (it did surpass GM in sales, but it paid a steep "price" for that dubious distinction), it was the most reliable car line in the world and also rated high in safety. Honda was chipping away at its heels and overtook Toyota in reliability and safety ratings.

I don't know how many "Johnny-Come-Lately" "Made in China" optics companies will be around in 30 years, and when I'm in the nursing home, I'm not sure I will care or remember that I even bought a Zen Ray bin, but I can say that when I had a ZR part fail, it was promptly replaced with a new, improved unit.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Swaro recently announce that it's only going to stock parts for 10 years? So if your new Swarovision breaks down in 11 years, they aren't going to repair it, they will replace it with their latest Swaroxrayvision.

Can I say the same for the "Johnny-Come-Lately" company? In 11 years, will they repair or replace my ZR ED2 with an ED7? I couldn't say, not being able to channel the ghost of Jeanne Dixon, but while I don't consider ZR's disposable items, if they do go belly up after Chinese labor organizes and they can no longer remain competitive with the Japanese, at least I'm not out $2,400.

You make a valid point, but for me, I think the skepticism is tempered by the "bang for the buck" factor of the "Johnny-Come-Latelys".

Would I buy a Nikon 7x42 EDG if I had deep pockets? You betcha, but until my pockets are jingle jangling with gold doubloons, the 7x36 ED2 will do me just fine. And if I do manage to climb back up the corporate ladder again and can afford an EDG, there are plenty of people behind me on the lower rungs ready to buy Chinese ED bins.

"Johnny's" sales might fall off a bit after the recovery (which will probably be very slow). However, having proven to that other "Johnny" (John Q. Public), that he can buy quality optics for an affordable price (even if the mechanics are not on par with the best), I can't see the now better informed and still financially cautious consumers flocking to the Big Three in droves.

What Bauhaus was to architecture, Zen Ray is to binoculars, the proletariat, anti-bourgeoisie "People's Binoculars."

Given the current world financial situation, with nearly 200 million people unemployed and about the same number underemployed, living on the margins, the timing of the Chinese Optics Revolution couldn't have been better. I liken it to the Japanese Auto Invasion during the gas crises of the 1970s, and we know what happened to those companies.

Food for thought... with a Fortune Cookie. :)
 
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