Thanks. I didn't know about that list and have now found it in there:
The title omits to mention "by the way, in passing we've recommended some changes to taxonomic order" but then that wasn't the purpose of the publication.
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Markus Lagerqvist
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Nov 14 Revise linear sequence of genera and species within Acanthizidae.
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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How can we access unpublished data?
It was in the October Clements update so the outcome, but not the workings, can be seen there. I don't know if Cornell made the info available when they decided to apply the change? Presumably they showed it to the folks at IOC. In their update it's described as "synthetic work by E. Miller (unpubl. data) based on e.g., Selvatti et al. (2015), Marki et al. (2017), Norman et al. (2018), and Fjeldså et al. (2020)."
I'm just checking through the Clements update and that says that, separate from this re-sequencing, Clements moved 6 species from Sericornis to Aethomyias, which were already in the latter genus for IOC. So the two have lined up.
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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Apart from that, there are no big upheavals
Paul Clapham
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Nov 15 Modify the linear sequence of genera and species within Hirundinidae.
Anyone know if this will have an effect on current treatment of Red-rumped Swallow (C. daurica)? I assume the referred Brown (2019) is this paper; Phylogeny and Evolution of Swallows (Hirundinidae) With a Transcriptomic Perspective on Seasonal Migration, from which I snipped the attached tree.
I'm a layman when it comes to genetics, but it seems C. striolata is embedded in C. daurica. Revision of linear sequence of Hirundinidae following Brown (2019) would then require a split of C. d. daurica/japonica, or lump with C. striolata? Or am I completely mistaken?
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Agree with you. I guess if there was a split or lump involved, IOC would have mentioned it though.
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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I would see the following conception: some subspecies of daurica would become subspecies of striolata (assuming that the holotype of daurica is not there); the African subspecies would be elevated to species rank, the same for the populations corresponding to the regions Pakistan, Kuwait, Greece
I also suppose that Progne chalybea macrorhamphus could be elevated to species rank
The taxonomic update (above) does say "to better align" with Brown, which isn't the usual wording and implies that they haven't followed every bit of it, or at least not yet. So it seems safe to assume no changes to allocation of subspecies to species other than the one on the subspecies page:
The taxonomy section has:
| Petrochelidon fuliginosa | Forest Swallow | Atronanus fuliginosus | PHY, TAX | Forest Swallow was formerly placed in Petrochelidon as P. fuliginosa. However, a new monotypic genus proposed for it: Atronanus de Silva et al., 2018, is tentatively adopted here to align with BirdLife and Clements (2023) but the new genus lacks Zoobank registration. Note gender. |
These locations corresponds to the distribution of C. d. rufula.
C. d. daurica and C. d. japonica (+ maybe other Asian subspecies?) are morphologically closer to C. striolata than to C. d. rufula. There are several records of D. d. daurica/japonica in Northern Europe, thus my interest. I never quite understood why these very distinct Asian ssp. are lumped with rufula.
Journal of Avian Biology has a Print ISSN: 0908-8857. So why would a Zoobank registration be needed?
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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It's an e-paper only ?
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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perhaps it was a temporary treatment while we obtained additional samples?
l_raty
laurent raty
When a printed journal goes online-only, its print ISSN remains associated to the volumes that were printed in the past -- the fact that a journal has a print ISSN is no evidence that it is still printed.
This journal is only available online and in print on demand (not publication in the sense of the Code). This has been so since Feb 2018 .
This name has no standing -- it would be better not to use it.
Markus Lagerqvist
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Nov 16 Revise linear sequence of genera and species within Laridae.
A few other families too. (As the quote doesn't display the whole text - Laridae, Stercorariidae, Alcidae, Diomedeidae, Fregatidae & Sulidae.)
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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I now recognise Stercorarius and Catharacta (including pomarina)
Was rufula originally described (Temminck 1835) as a separate species or as a subspecies of C. daurica? If described as a separate species, anyone know when and where it was lumped as a subspecies of C. daurica?
I notice there are several Asian (and African) ssp. of both C. daurica and C. striolata missing in Brown (2019) so probably not possible to sort out the exact genetic relations in this complex, but the current treatment of the migratory ssp. feels unsatisfactory nonetheless.
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