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[DDonsker]

Species update mention this:

So I presume ignicolle is indeed still grouped with Mistletoebird

Yes, for now.

 

[THE_FERN]

Luckily, English names do not need to be taxonomically accurate.

One might wish that (e.g.) SACC remember this before making wholesale changes to established common names...

 

[Andy Adcock]

Oct 2 Split Cambodian, Sumatran, and Fire-throated Flowerpeckers from Fire-breasted Flowerpecker.

Got the one on Luzon but failed to see the other two.

 

[Jacana]

Got the one on Luzon but failed to see the other two.

Annoyed to find out that I have no record of seeing "Fire-breasted" in Khao Yai NP in Thailand, which photos suggest would fall under Cambodian.

 

[Larry Sweetland]

Annoyed to find out that I have no record of seeing "Fire-breasted" in Khao Yai NP in Thailand, which photos suggest would fall under Cambodian.

I'm really glad of my old notebooks right now! This is just the sort of bird I wouldn't necessarily have written down though in the past.

 

[Jacana]

I'm really glad of my old notebooks right now! This is just the sort of bird I wouldn't necessarily have written down though in the past.

Luckily, I was keeping good track of what I saw where when I was living in Thailand as I try to keep track of subspecies for this very purpose. Seems like I just didn't see this species there, more's the pity.

 

[Larry Sweetland]

Luckily, I was keeping good track of what I saw where when I was living in Thailand as I try to keep track of subspecies for this very purpose. Seems like I just didn't see this species there, more's the pity.

I can't find it in my notes from Khao Yai either. Luckily I can from Sumatra and Philippines though I can't remember the sightings! 🥺

 

[YuShan]

I guess the ones in Doi Inthanon are the same as the ones in Nepal on route to Mt Everest (ignipectus)?

 

[Larry Sweetland]

I guess the ones in Doi Inthanon are the same as the ones in Nepal on route to Mt Everest (ignipectus)?

That's what it looks like to me

 

[Andy Adcock]

I can't find it in my notes from Khao Yai either. Luckily I can from Sumatra and Philippines though I can't remember the sightings! 🥺

This from my Cambodia notes, 2006.

'Target species, two endemics, Cambodian Laughingthrush and Chestnut-headed Partridge as well as endemic races of White-tailed Robin cambodianum, Blue-winged Minla rufodorsalis and an ‘unresolved form’ of Fire-breasted Flowerpecker,

 

[Jacana]

Oct 4 Split Olive-backed Sunbird into eight species.

Ornate Sunbird, Palawan Sunbird, Sahul Sunbird, Tukangbesi Sunbird, Flores Sea Sunbird, Clementia's Sunbird, Rand's Sunbird

Cinnyris ornatus, Cinnyris aurora, Cinnyris frenatus, Cinnyris infrenatus, Cinnyris teysmanni, Cinnyris clementiae, Cinnyris idenburgi

Olive-backed (now Garden) Sunbird Cinnyris jugularis is split into eight species based on a combination of bioacoustic differences, mtDNA data (Lohman et al. 2010; Marcaigh et al. 2022) and, in many instances, substantial differences in plumage (WGAC). Rand's Sunbird was also previously split by HBW/BirdLife, del Hoyo & Collar 2016; Gregory 2017).

 

[Andy Adcock]

Now I have to check those too!

My notes say that I saw ornatus on Flores but should that be teysmanni?

I think I have four of the eight which puts me three up.

 

[Larry Sweetland]

Oct 4 Split Olive-backed Sunbird into eight species.

Ornate Sunbird, Palawan Sunbird, Sahul Sunbird, Tukangbesi Sunbird, Flores Sea Sunbird, Clementia's Sunbird, Rand's Sunbird

Cinnyris ornatus, Cinnyris aurora, Cinnyris frenatus, Cinnyris infrenatus, Cinnyris teysmanni, Cinnyris clementiae, Cinnyris idenburgi

Olive-backed (now Garden) Sunbird Cinnyris jugularis is split into eight species based on a combination of bioacoustic differences, mtDNA data (Lohman et al. 2010; Marcaigh et al. 2022) and, in many instances, substantial differences in plumage (WGAC). Rand's Sunbird was also previously split by HBW/BirdLife, del Hoyo & Collar 2016; Gregory 2017).

Wow 🤯. Can anyone help with which subspecies are aligned within which of these?

 

[Paul Clapham]

My notes say that I saw ornatus on Flores but should that be teysmanni?

From what I can see in the IOC and Clements spreadsheets, teysmanni is found on small islands north of Flores. The range of ornatus extends to Lesser Sundas which I believe includes Flores. Clements already has teysmanni as a named group so it looks like "Flores Sea Sunbird" will be monotypic.

 

[Andy Adcock]

Thanks Paul.

 

[Andy Adcock]

Wow 🤯. Can anyone help with which subspecies are aligned within which of these?

That info is included within the message you quoted?

Here is the relevant page from the IOC.

Species Updates – IOC World Bird List

 

[Larry Sweetland]

That info is included within the message you quoted?

Here is the relevant page from the IOC.

Species Updates – IOC World Bird List

So are you saying that each one of those new species is monotypic and all the other subspecies remain within jugularis? Seems an odd way to split it if so.

 

[Andy Adcock]

So are you saying that each one of those new species is monotypic and all the other subspecies remain within jugularis? Seems an odd way to split it if so.

Sorry, I see what you mean now, apologies.

Some are so remote that they may be monotypic though e.g Flores Sunbird as per Pauls message above.

 

[TomDerutter]

AFAIK it should be like this:

jugularis		Garden Sunbird
	obscurior		n Luzon and Babuyan Is. (n Philippines)
	jugularis		c, s Luzon group, Mindoro, Visayas and Mindanao group (n to s Philippines)
	woodi		Sulu Arch. (s Philippines)
aurora		Aurora Sunbird	Palawan group (sw Philippines)
ornatus		Ornate Sunbird
	andamanicus		Andaman Is.
	proselius		n Nicobar Is.
	klossi		c, s Nicobar Is.
	flammaxillaris		Myanmar, Thailand, c, s Indochina and n Malay Pen.
	ornatus		c, s Malay Pen., Sumatra, Borneo, Java, Bali and Lesser Sundas (except Sumba and Timor)
	polyclystus		Enggano (w of s Sumatra)
	rhizophorae		s, se China including Hainan, and n Vietnam
infrenatus		Tukangbesi Sunbird	Tukangbesi and other is. off se Sulawesi
frenatus		Sahul Sunbird	Sulawesi to ne Australia, Bismarck Arch. and Solomon Is.
	plateni		Talaud Is. (ne of Sulawesi), Sulawesi and satellites
	robustirostris		Banggai and Sula Is. (e of Sulawesi)
	frenatus		Morotai to Obi (n Moluccas), New Guinea (except n) and satellites (except Trobriand, Woodlark and Louisiade is., se of se New Guinea), Aru Is. (sw of New Guinea) and ne QLD (far ne Australia)
	flavigastra		Bismarck Arch. including Ninigo and Hermit is., and n, sc Solomon Is. to Guadalcanal and Malaita
teysmanni		Flores Sea Sunbird	Flores Sea is. s of Sulawesi
clementiae		Clementia’s Sunbird
	buruensis		Buru (wc Moluccas)
	clementiae		Boano (nw of Seram), Ambon, Seram (ec Moluccas) and Watubela (s Moluccas)
	keiensis		Kai Is. (se Moluccas)
idenburgi		Rand's Sunbird	Mamberamo, Sepik and Ramu basins, n New Guinea

 

[opisska]

What a split then - I saw it in four places, thousands of kms apart, all the same species