Redpoll - common vs lesser - UK (1 Viewer)

[Angus W]

Saw a group of redpolls this morning in Oxfordshire, UK - a few photos and sound recording attached.
Confused on lesser vs common distinction (sound leading me one way, and visuals the other...)
Also are these distinguished at the species, subspecies, or variety level - have seen conflicting things written.

 

[Welsh Peregrine]

No comment on identification, but the current trend is towards lumping; as far as I know there are no reliable DNA differences, but not all the relevant authorities have yet followed suit.

 

[Angus W]

No comment on identification, but the current trend is towards lumping; as far as I know there are no reliable DNA differences, but not all the relevant authorities have yet followed suit.

I think taking that line means you don't need to comment on id...

 

[Welsh Peregrine]

However there are forms which look different…..

 

[Stephen Dunstan]

I would say they are all Lessers but I'm not sure what you mean about sound leading you one way, I thought they all sounded the same.