Feraequornithes, new clade (1 Viewer)

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Sangster G. & Mayr G. (2021). Feraequornithes: a name for the clade formed by Procellariiformes, Sphenisciformes, Ciconiiformes, Suliformes and Pelecaniformes (Aves). Vertebrate Zoology, 71: 49-53.

Feraequornithes: a name for the clade formed by Procellariiformes, Sphenisciformes, Ciconiiformes, Suliformes and Pelecaniformes (Aves)

Recent genomic data sets have resolved many aspects of higher-level phylogenetic relationships of birds. Eleven phylogenomic studies provide congruent support for a clade formed by Procellariiformes, Sphenisciformes, Ciconiiformes, Suliformes and Pelecaniformes. This clade is here named...

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Recent genomic data sets have resolved many aspects of higher-level phylogenetic relationships of birds. Eleven phylogenomic studies provide congruent support for a clade formed by Procellariiformes, Sphenisciformes, Ciconiiformes, Suliformes and Pelecaniformes. This clade is here named ‘Feraequornithes’ following the rules and requirements of the PhyloCode.

 

[Agelaius]

Really interesting article, many thanks for posting the citation and link.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

This thread doesn't excite the crowd 🤣🤣🤣

 

[l_raty]

It's probably me, but when I see this name I keep reading it automatically as starting in fera-, a wild beast...

A bit more seriously, even when I force my mind into the suggested etymology, "ornithes" is a countable noun in the plural -- a word ending in this cannot be a singular collective noun. Thus if the "Aequornithes" are the "waterbirds" (which is not really what the words making up this name mean, though), the "Fere-Aequornithes" are birds that are "almost waterbirds".

I'll get used to it, I guess, but it may take some time.

 

[TomDerutter]

Fer connects to iron in my mind - so these are the most metal of waterbirds🤘

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

I'll get use to it, I guess, but it may take some time.

Nobody will use this name anyway

 

[l_raty]

Fer connects to iron in my mind - so these are the most metal of waterbirds🤘

Iron is ferrum, I'd expect a double r in a compound.
But indeed fer- for fere in compounds does note occur in "real" Latin; pen- (or paen-, for pene/paene), with a similar meaning, would be more usual.

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[njlarsen]

Fer connects to iron in my mind - so these are the most metal of waterbirds🤘

Now that we are making fun of it: the ferocious waterbirds

Niels

 

[TomDerutter]

Iron is ferrum, I'd expect a double r in a compound.
But indeed fer- for fere in compounds does note occur in "real" Latin; pen- (or paen-, for pene/paene), with a similar meaning, would be more usual.

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Like in penultimate
this would make more sense for a group that falls just outside the core group?
A better word would have been some translation of 'core aequornithes' (unless one regards Gaviiformes as the most important element of aequornithes)

 

[jts1882]

It's probably me, but when I see this name I keep reading it automatically as starting in fera-, a wild beast...

A bit more seriously, even when I force my mind into the suggested etymology, "ornithes" is a countable noun in the plural -- a word ending in this cannot be a singular collective noun. Thus if the "Aequornithes" are the "waterbirds" (which is not really what the words making up this name mean, though), the "Fere-Aequornithes" are birds that are "almost waterbirds".

I'll get used to it, I guess, but it may take some time.

Me too, Every time I read it I have visions of fierce birds expressing their inner raptor.

Ferae was one of Linnaeus's original orders (?) in Quadrupedia, pretty much equivalent to modern mammalian Carnivora and is now used for a clade containing orders Carnivora and Pholidota.

 

[TomDerutter]

Now that we are making fun of it: the ferocious waterbirds

Niels

I think you're saying the same as Laurent here
ferocious = beast-like

 

[l_raty]

A better word would have been some translation of 'core aequornithes'

At https://classification-of-life.fandom.com/wiki/Aequorlitornithes, "Euaequornithes" is used for the same group.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

At https://classification-of-life.fandom.com/wiki/Aequorlitornithes, "Euaequornithes" is used for the same group.

Tape Euaequornithes on Google, there is no result

 

[l_raty]

Tape Euaequornithes on Google, there is no result

There is one, otherwise I wouldn't have found it...

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

There is one, otherwise I wouldn't have found it...

And yet, I have nothing

 

[l_raty]

Anyway, I was merely providing it as possibly matching Tom's suggestion of "some translation of 'core aequornithes'".
This name is not published or defined in the sense of the PhyloCode, in the way that Feraequornithes now is. (I assume -- I don't really have an intimate knowledge of the requirements of the PC.)