Dahab , Egypt Red Sea October 13 which pratincole? (1 Viewer)

[markm]

Looking back at some old holiday photos. Is this black winged ? Tail shorter than wings .

 

[Butty]

Juvenile, so tail-length won't be any guide. Might well not be IDable unless migration-timing relative to moult can provide any clue - viz. if black-winged pratincole juveniles don't migrate in that plumage, it's not a black-winged pratincole.

 

[Muppit17]

Juvenile, so tail-length won't be any guide. Might well not be IDable unless migration-timing relative to moult can provide any clue - viz. if black-winged pratincole juveniles don't migrate in that plumage, it's not a black-winged pratincole.

I have just returned from the Okavango where I saw both Collared and Black-winged side by side nearly every day. They are a tricky pair especially when perched but I would suggest Collared for this one, mainly because

• The mantle/secondaries look paler than I would expect and more contrasted with the primaries
• The red on the bill base appears to meet the nostril
• The nostril appears oval ie elongated

 

[markm]

I have just returned from the Okavango where I saw both Collared and Black-winged side by side nearly every day. They are a tricky pair especially when perched but I would suggest Collared for this one, mainly because

• The mantle/secondaries look paler than I would expect and more contrasted with the primaries
• The red on the bill base appears to meet the nostril
• The nostril appears oval ie elongated

Thank you both especially Muppit17 for the detailed explanation.