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another Netherlands bird ID Request #3 (1 Viewer)
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Bewick
Connoisseur of WTL
1982/2021- Stonechat
2016- Great crested grebe
2089/2264- Song thrush
2252- Chaffinch
2203- Greenfinch
2200/ 2135- Reed bunting
2187- Sedge warbler
2121- Pied flycatcher
2105- Barnacle goose
2106- Strange hybrid duck
2027/2021- Tree pipit
Sorry for weird numbering, using my phone and orders usually mix up on mobile.
2016- Great crested grebe
2089/2264- Song thrush
2252- Chaffinch
2203- Greenfinch
2200/ 2135- Reed bunting
2187- Sedge warbler
2121- Pied flycatcher
2105- Barnacle goose
2106- Strange hybrid duck
2027/2021- Tree pipit
Sorry for weird numbering, using my phone and orders usually mix up on mobile.
Welsh Peregrine
Well-known member
The hybrid duck is a Chiloe Widgeon, a South American species popular in aviculture.
Thank you so much!
PYRTLE
Old Berkshire Boy
But the goose and hybrid Wigeon unfortunately not wild. Wild Barnacle Geese should be on their Arctic breeding grounds, this one may be from a collection or feral population.
Derbyfella
Well-known member
2027 has a very long hind claw?
PYRTLE
Old Berkshire Boy
One of the commoner pipits in 3,4,and 5. I would stab at Tree Pipit due to very monochrome Greater coverts, bold and thick breast streaking, plus it is in a tree.
Derbyfella
Well-known member
Sorry pyrtle I don’t understand? do you mean pics 3,4 and 5?
PYRTLE
Old Berkshire Boy
Sorry, yes. And Bewick has already suggested answers. I see where you're coming from now but time for bed.....blurry eyes.
Goodnight fella. And yes, of course, 3 is a male Stonechat.
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Derbyfella
Well-known member
Goodnight to you too!
Derbyfella
Well-known member
Could someone explain to me, I thought the long hind claw was a good identification for the meadow pipit. Is 2027 a meadow or tree, and why or why not - if that makes sense
Bewick
Connoisseur of WTL
Earlier in the year I made a mistake in which I mistook a tree pipit for a meadow pipit, I discovered that the length of the hind claw seem longer depending on how the toes are positioned. I also believe the thin streaking on the flanks, and its behaviour is also indicative of a tree pipit- singing while perched on a tree.
Derbyfella
Well-known member
Thank you
i just read this
teifimarshbirds.blogspot.com
I had assumed that the long hind claw was unique to the meadow…whereas actually it’s where it’s extraordinarily long!
having not long read the thread of “Ken’s“pipit photos 🤣 id I have said from looking at the wing pattern that it matched other photos of treeps
thanks for your reply, it all helps to improve identification skills.
i just read this
Meadow Pipit or a Tree Pipit
At Fygyn Common this morning was myself and Andrew Hughes. We caught and processed a mixed bag including Grasshopper Warbler, Reed Bunting,...
teifimarshbirds.blogspot.com
I had assumed that the long hind claw was unique to the meadow…whereas actually it’s where it’s extraordinarily long!
having not long read the thread of “Ken’s“pipit photos 🤣 id I have said from looking at the wing pattern that it matched other photos of treeps
thanks for your reply, it all helps to improve identification skills.
As already stated it's a Chiloe Wigeon not a hybrid, but agree an obvious collection bird.
Indobirder
Well-known member
Why does the location of the Barnacle Goose prove it as not wild?
I always assumed that the ones in NL during the summer were just "abnormal" rather than having domestic/feral ancestry. I've seen them breeding during the summer out there...
I think it's more akin to the Canada Goose in some areas of Canada. They become "lazy" (or rather, opportunistic) and do not migrate, choosing instead to breed in the same area as they winter. Sure, maybe not a "normal" goose, but why should it indicate it not being wild?
I always assumed that the ones in NL during the summer were just "abnormal" rather than having domestic/feral ancestry. I've seen them breeding during the summer out there...
I think it's more akin to the Canada Goose in some areas of Canada. They become "lazy" (or rather, opportunistic) and do not migrate, choosing instead to breed in the same area as they winter. Sure, maybe not a "normal" goose, but why should it indicate it not being wild?
PYRTLE
Old Berkshire Boy
In what sense are they "abnormal"? Unwilling to instinctly returning or following the main flock North to breeding grounds? It could of course be an injured bird unable to fly. Feral / escapees species do breed, as you say, Canada geese for example. The white throat collar lends to some Brent influence?Last word would come from the Dutch birding authorities as to their status.
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Xenospiza
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In May there are also still quite a few "arctic-breeding" Barnacle Geese around in the Netherlands.
If it's in the southeast, it would more likely be "locally breeding" (esp. in May), but as Hotspur says its "wildness" is impossible to assess: the largest numbers in summer are found in locations where they also winter in the largest numbers.
If it's in the southeast, it would more likely be "locally breeding" (esp. in May), but as Hotspur says its "wildness" is impossible to assess: the largest numbers in summer are found in locations where they also winter in the largest numbers.
