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Steve Babbs

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Anyone been here? It sounds good and 'A birdwatching guide to south-east Brazil, says there's a hostel inside - but doesn't give any details. Unfortunately I have found out that you can't visit on Mondays, unless you stay inside the park so my options may be limited. Any thoughts appreciated.
 
I've been there once and it's certainly good. I don't know if that hostel is still open though (vaguely remember being told it's closed). There tend to be restrictions on when you can go in (e.g. not early in the morning) which can be a bit of a drag. Definitely good birds there though, although maybe nothing you can't see elsewhere e.g. Pico de Caledonia or Macae de Cima are perhaps easier for higher altitude birds and REGUA is easier for lowland stuff.
 
I've just returned from 3 weeks in SE Brazil, and found the opening hours of the national parks to be really un-birdy. A place like Serra de Canastra in Minas Gerais is only open from 08.00 to 16.00, though you might be lucky to squeeze in an extra 15-30 minutes at each end, if you're fortunate.
Another site mentioned in the new site-guide to the SE, Porto Ferrera, was only open from 9-16 on a Saturday, which made me pass on trying it, the Augusto Ruschi reserve in Espirito Santo is only open to researchers and I think it was Sooretama, also in ES, that didn't even bother to return my inquiery about visiting.
I spent my last morning on Pico Caledonia just outside Nova Friburgo in RdJ state, and had Swallow-tailed and Black and Gold Cotingas and also a heard-only Grey-winged Cotinga It was calling for about an hour around 9-10 every 10 minutes or so, from the hillside below the beginning of the stairs to the top.
As you can drive almost all the way up, it is an easier site for high altitude birds than Serra dos Orgaos, and there is even supposed to be Itatiaia Spinetail on the top.

Jens
 
Jens

Thanks for the reply. Yes the hours do seem rather bizarre. Part of the point of Serro dos Orgaos is my wife wants to do some hiking, so the attraction - for her anyway - is that you can't drive up to the top. Pico Caledonia does sound interesting, so I may give that a visit as well. If you have time, I'd be very interested in any other details of your trip. Where you went, general tips etc. I'm putting together an itinerary now. I realised I've already made a bit of a cock up as we've booked to Rio rather than Sao Paulo and have now found at that internal flights to Cuiaba all seem to involve a change in Sao Paulo adding a considerable cost and time penalty, not the best start to planning a trip!
 
Jens

Thanks for the reply. Yes the hours do seem rather bizarre. Part of the point of Serro dos Orgaos is my wife wants to do some hiking, so the attraction - for her anyway - is that you can't drive up to the top. Pico Caledonia does sound interesting, so I may give that a visit as well. If you have time, I'd be very interested in any other details of your trip. Where you went, general tips etc. I'm putting together an itinerary now. I realised I've already made a bit of a cock up as we've booked to Rio rather than Sao Paulo and have now found at that internal flights to Cuiaba all seem to involve a change in Sao Paulo adding a considerable cost and time penalty, not the best start to planning a trip!

You should definitely go to REGUA if your wife wants a walk. The walk up the Red Trail there is one of my favourite walks ever, and probably the best for birds. That said, there are some good walks in Serra dos Orgaos too, if they give you enough time to do them!
 
You should definitely go to REGUA if your wife wants a walk. The walk up the Red Trail there is one of my favourite walks ever, and probably the best for birds. That said, there are some good walks in Serra dos Orgaos too, if they give you enough time to do them!

Regua does seem rather expensive. This is likely to be a horribly expensive trip anyway, so I am rather tempted by cheaper places!
 
Regua does seem rather expensive. This is likely to be a horribly expensive trip anyway, so I am rather tempted by cheaper places!

It is I suppose, but bear in mind that it's full board and includes guiding if you want it (and it is good guiding there). It's worth it for a few days at least. Really cheap options aren't that commonplace in good areas for birds in southeast Brazil, although with the new site guide (which I've not seen) it might be easier to find some of the good places. One option that has some decent birding, very good walking and cheap accommodation is Ilha Grande. Might be worth looking into.
 
Cheers Andrew I'll have a look at Ilha Grande. Really don't like using guides, unless I have to. I would rather see half the number of species and locate them myself. I'll make an exception for looking for jaguar in the Pantanal though!
 
Jens

Thanks for the reply. Yes the hours do seem rather bizarre. Part of the point of Serro dos Orgaos is my wife wants to do some hiking, so the attraction - for her anyway - is that you can't drive up to the top. Pico Caledonia does sound interesting, so I may give that a visit as well. If you have time, I'd be very interested in any other details of your trip. Where you went, general tips etc. I'm putting together an itinerary now. I realised I've already made a bit of a cock up as we've booked to Rio rather than Sao Paulo and have now found at that internal flights to Cuiaba all seem to involve a change in Sao Paulo adding a considerable cost and time penalty, not the best start to planning a trip!

Hi Steve,

I flew to Rio, and first spend a couple of days at Itatiaia, staying at a pousada in the village, from where i visited the Agualhas Negras road one day, and went inside the park the next (again only open 8-17 and cost 20R). The Agulhas Negras road was very nice, with displaying Plovercrests, plenty of Itatiaia Spinetails once you were beyond the pousada, Grey-backed Tachuri at the first sharp right turn of the road after the pousada, and several Serra do Mar Tyrannulets and Tapaculos, Speckle-breasted Antpittas and B and G Cotingas. Inside the NP i did the Maromba Trail, birded along the main road and watched the Hummingbirds around the feeders at Ype Hotel. Best birds here were a few Fork-tailed Pygmy Tyrants at the beginning of the Maromba trail, several Bertoni's and Ochre-rumped Antbirds and heard only Such's Anthrushes.
In the same area I also visited the Portal do Bosque trail in Penedo and Resende Wetland, which were both OK for a few hours or half a day, with White-shouldered Fireeye, Southern Antpipit and Black-cheeked Gnateater at the first site, and the only Yellowish Pipits and Capped Seedeaters of the trip at the other.
Next I went to Pereque, where I had Black-hooded Antwren first thing in the morning, but not heard or seen later, Squamate Antbird, Rufous-capped Antthrush, Saw-billed Hermit, Frilled Coquettes and lots of lekking White-bearded Manakins, just go for the sound of exploding fire-crackers.
Then on to the Ubatuba area, where I ran into several days of bad weather, with overcast conditions, long periods of rain and drizzle and low bird activity in the forest. Best place to be in/ or rather outside the rain, was at the hummingbird feeders at Folha Seca along with Saw-billed Hermits and Festive Coquettes. At Fazenda Angelim I had Sharpbill and Spotted Bamboowren, but I really felt, that I missed out on many birds at Ubatuba, bbecause iof the weather.
For a change of scenery I headed for Campos do Jordao, where it still rained a little, but the birds seemed more active here, with many Araucari Tit Sppinetails, and several Vinaceous Parrots, Variegated Antpittas (heard only), a single male Black-legged Dacnis and a few Dusky-tailed Antbirds.
After a drive through Sao Paulo (pack lots of patience) I came to Intervales, where 3 days (1,5 with guide - excellent guy, Luiz) saw me enjoying White-bearded, Giant, Tufted and Long-tailed Antshrikes, Mantled Hawk, the only seen Bare-throated Bellbird of the trip, Pin-tailed Manakin, Serra do Mar Tyrant Mannakin, Oustalet's, Bay-ringed and Sao Paulo Tyrannulet, White-breasted Tapaculo, Pavonine Cuckoo, Black-legged Dacnis, Blue-bellied Parrot and a Puma for 10-15 seconds on the track past the restaurant.
A long drive North, took me to Serra de Canastra NP in Minas Gerais where a day along the river between Vargem Bonita and the waterfall, rewarded me with a pair of Brazilian Mergansers 10,5 KM after leaving VB, Helmeted Manakins, several showy Red-legged Seriemas and a Giant Anteater which passed by me only a few meters away.
Having seen the Mergansers so early on, I had plenty of time to enjoy the birding at the top of the plateau, inside the NP. Approx. 1 KM below the entrance I had a male Yellow-billed Finch feeding on the burnt hillside, and once inside the park, in the grassland, Cock-tailed Tyrants were common (35-40 in two days), and Sharp-tailed Tyrants, Black-masked Finch, Campo Miner and Ochre-breasted Pipts were fairly common. Brasilia Tapaculo was heard at the place were the powerlines cross the road and at the source of the Sao Fransisco River, and at the top of the waterfall another pair of Mergansers were found, this time with 3 large downy young. On the cliffs south of the entrance there's a large active raptor nest, but without a scope I couldn't make out much, but according to the wardens at the entrance it was a nest of Crowned Eagle. I saw a very vocal and displaying Black-chested Buzzard Eagle in the vicinty twice, so I'm not totally convinced. Luckily I did see an adult Crowned Eagle inside the park.
Next I drove east to Serra do Cipo, where Cipo Canastero was tracked down in the morning at the pass after an hour, but I found road going downhill to the left to some camp sites and cottages one KM before the pass, to be the most birdy, with Horned Sungem, Hyacinth Visorbearer, Least Nighthawk (heard at dusk), Curl-crested Jay and Cipo Canastero heard from the cliffs some 2-3 Km along the road.
Another drive through Belo Horizonte took me to Caraca, where Serra Antwren was easily tracked down, along with Swallow-tailed Cotinga, White-bibbed Antbird and Pale-throated Pampafinch.
Going back towards Rio, I saw the Three-toed Jacamars at Carmo and visited Pico Caledonia near Nova Friburgo.

Driving was mostly easy in Brazil, except going through towns and cities, where a lack of signs got me lost more than once. Especially in RdJ and SP states, the most used roads are toll roads, that were some of the more expensive that I've driven - up to 10-15R in RdJ. Fuel is also relatively expensive, with gasoline at roughly 1,2 Euro/l, but alcohol is cheaper at ,70 Euro/l, and works nearly as well in smaller cars. I tried driving on both, and lost only 2-3 km/l switching from gasoline to alcohol.
I never 'broke through' the language barrier, but was able to get by with trying to speak some Spanish and using all sorts of gestures. I only met few English speakers.

I hope this gives you a little taste of what can be expected. I had also contemplated on going to the Pantanal, or heading up to Bahia, but it's nice to have something to go back for another time, and another and...!
Enjoy

Jens
 
Thanks Jens very useful, I'll get my head around what you've written in the next day or two and probably PM you with some questions, if that's OK.

Cheers
 
Yes the hours do seem rather bizarre. Part of the point of Serro dos Orgaos is my wife wants to do some hiking, so the attraction - for her anyway - is that you can't drive up to the top. Pico Caledonia does sound interesting, so I may give that a visit as well. If you have time, I'd be very interested in any other details of your trip. Where you went, general tips etc. I'm putting together an itinerary now. I realised I've already made a bit of a cock up as we've booked to Rio rather than Sao Paulo and have now found at that internal flights to Cuiaba all seem to involve a change in Sao Paulo adding a considerable cost and time penalty, not the best start to planning a trip!



Steve,

You weren't to know that you'd boobed by booking to Rio, rather than SP, but perhaps you are planning to spend some time in the cidade maravilhosa anyway so the journey to Rio will not be wasted...?

There are no direct flights to Cuiabá from Rio and the only ones that you can easily book from the UK are on TAM. Note that TAM is about the most expensive airline in Brazil, albeit probably also the best. GOL, Webjet and the new Azul airlines are all cheaper, and some of them fly to Cuiabá too. Problem is that you can only book online outside of Brazil and at least GOL ask you for a CPF no. when you make the booking, which as a non-resident of Brazil you don't have. But you could risk waiting until you get to Brazil and buying the tickets when you get there. You are pretty unlikely to be stumped by that, unless your plans for Cuiabá involve a major public holiday time. If you buy at an office ticket prices are higher than online on all those airlines, but still less than TAM, sometimes massively so.

For instance, I had a tour to the Pantanal a month or two back which ended in SP. I needed to get home to Rio. A single on TAM was about R$700, GOL about R$600 and Webjet R$120. Guess which one I bought, just two hours before the flight? And Webjet was more convenient, in that their flight landed at Santos Dumont airport rather than ruddy old Galeão.

You could also take a bus Rio--SP to save money. There's no problem to that. The journey takes about five hours but there's buses just about every 15 minutes on different companies. Use one of the bigger ones like Itapemirim or so. No need to book in advance. Seats are reclining and comfortable. Most of them stop around Itatiaia for a snack and pee break.

Serra dos Órgãos NP: you can usually talk your way in ahead of the official opening time; in fact the park people should let you in early no problem if you tell them you plan to walk the trail up to the top (though I seem to recall there's an extra charge if you admit you are doing that). Might be worth visiting the evening before to arrange it. However, I suppose that puts the onus on you to learn some Portuguese in advance of your visit, but that's well worth doing anyway. I don't believe the hostel inside the park is operational at present. In any case there are loads of better hotels in Teresópolis.
 
Guy

Thanks for your reply. By coincidence I was thinking, earlier today, that you were in Brazil now and would be a good source of gen. Your idea of taking the bus to SP seemed like a good one, until I got quotes from SP to Cuiaba. They were more expensive than from Rio and the majority still involved a change! I can do Rio to Cuiaba for £189.80 return as long as I don't mind arriving at 1am and leaving at horrible O'clock so I think I may play it safe and go for that. I presume I'll be able to get into a hotel and that time but guess I better book it first. Any suggestions? Michelle's working on the Portuguese. I'm carrying on learning Spanish as after many years I'm finally getting to the 'reasonable' stage.

You're right the idea of flying to Rio was to spend a day, probably two now due to late night flight, in the city.

Have you seen my thread on seeing jaguars?

Cheers
 
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I spent a night at the Diplomata Hotel in Cuiaba. It's very near the airport (maybe 5 minutes walk) and was reasonably good. Not too expensive either (about R100 for a single room two years ago). There were also loads of Nacunda Nighthawks flying about along the street outside in the evening, which was quite good to watch.
 
Steve,

The Diplomata is very convenient and, if you ring them from the airport (3688-8500), they'll come and get you (free), but it's more expensive than it used to be and not just because the pesky real is so strong right now. A double room is now about R$180 I seem to recall. Breakfast is decent and it has wireless internet, if you're bothered.

Haven't checked your Jaguar thread, as I couldn't claim to be a mammal specialist, but if you think I can help let me know. I did see a black one once, but in eastern Amazonia, not the Pantanal.

If you need any recommendations for Rio hotels let me know.

Best wishes,
 
Ow! Perhaps I should have gone for revisting Bolivia. I remember paying £1.20 for a triple room there, and that was in a tourist area but thanks for the tip Andrew, I may well go for it as it'd certainly be convenient.
 
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Anyone been here? It sounds good and 'A birdwatching guide to south-east Brazil, says there's a hostel inside - but doesn't give any details. Unfortunately I have found out that you can't visit on Mondays, unless you stay inside the park so my options may be limited. Any thoughts appreciated.

Hello Steve,

Just back from SE Brazil. Can confirm Andrew's remark that the pousada within the SDO park is closed (and doesn't look like it will reopen - ever.). It is possible to camp in the park though as they have a small camp site (we were the only users at the time). Do bring a decent sleeping bag if you decide to camp as it gets decidedly chilly at night.

Some more information: entry price into the park is fairly steep for foreigners and you pay an extra fee if you want to hike their trails. Camping price was low. Total came down to something like 130 Reals (close to 60 euros for the 2 days we spent there.)

Birding on the Pedro Do Sino trail is quite good, but startvery early if you want to have a shot at the grey-winged cotinga. (it took us about a 3 hour hike to get to the right altitude.)

And Andrew is corect about Regua: it's a great place with excellent trails (and lots of them). Not cheap maybe, but found it excellent value for money.
Ended up staying there a week and still have the feeling I only scratched the surface of it.

cheers,

filip
 
Glad to hear you had such a good time Filip - and particularly that you enjoyed REGUA. I spent two months there and still only felt I scratched the surface!
 
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