Harrier, but Hen or Pallid? (1 Viewer)

[AGDK]

Hello

Today I saw this Harrier in Poland... I see it very similar to the ones called in as Pallid Harrier with a clear ring around the head, but it's hard to count the fingers..

Anybody who can verify?

Thanks

 

[AGDK]

I have a very unclear shot here from below, where the dark area of the underwing is better visible..

 

[AGDK]

And last useful picture from side/behind

 

[kuzeycem]

It's a 2cy female, either Pallid or Hen×Pallid hybrid... I think I'd lean towards the latter with that broad wing (esp. hand), although the 5th finger isn't too prominent.

 

[Butty]

It has the neck-pattern of a 1st-year pallid harrier and four primary-fingers. Which makes it a pallid harrier.

 

[AGDK]

Thanks for your feedback.. Can someone else double confirm that it really is a Pallid Harrier.. That will be my only second sighting here in the local area..

 

[tconzemi]

It's a 2cy female, either Pallid or Hen×Pallid hybrid... I think I'd lean towards the latter with that broad wing (esp. hand), although the 5th finger isn't too prominent.

Mu thoughts too, everything fine for Pallid but that hand is really broad. So second calendar female Pallid maybe with some Hen genes

 

[AGDK]

Great, thanks for confirmation.. I'll report it as a Pallid and hope it will be accepted..

 

[kuzeycem]

I wouldn't say you got any 'confirmation' here either way but you should certainly report it, it'd certainly be of interest.

 

[AGDK]

OK, thanks for info.. I have reported the bird with pictures and wait for the verifying person to come with his/her opinion..

There was another one together with it, but I assume this is a clear Hen Harrier, rigth?.. 5 finger and no ring around neck..

 

[Alexander Stöhr]

Hello,

yes your new bird seems a Hen Harrier imo (a dainty, slender winged bird, therefore an 2cy male???)

No offense you know, and yes its better to wait for the acceptance of the relevant comitee. And yes, Harriers are extremly variable and difficult and with Pallid hybrids has to be considered as a scarce possibility in Europe now, they are the Gulls among the Raptors at least for me.

But I would call it confirmation when Tom and Kuzeycem has identified the bird=thanks and wow!