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New Canon 450D announced (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter nigelblake
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It looks interesting, though I think the change in memory card and battery type will annoy many existing 350D/400D users.
nigelblake
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Yes Canon do seem to be working a bit back to front at the moment, I can see their logic in appealing to the mass market, hence the change to SD cards so that compact owners who already have SD memory will make the jump to DSLR (although I have SD memory as my bodies take both); However it seems odd to me that the prosumer models such as the 40D are always lagging a couple of Mp behind, although those 2 Mp really will not make much difference in IQ terms as I suspect the 450D will have a noiser/cheaper sensor.
What does appeal to me though is that it is cheap enough with high enough IQ and live view to be able to get a couple of bodies that can be used in high-risk remote set-ups.
What does appeal to me though is that it is cheap enough with high enough IQ and live view to be able to get a couple of bodies that can be used in high-risk remote set-ups.
NoSpringChicken
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There is no mention of estimated price. Will it be about the same as the 400D when it was first introduced?
Ron
Ron
citrinella
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On another of the DPreview pages linked at the bottom of the article it gave 799 US / 749 euro, no mention of sterling. Probably still trying to decide whether sterling is about to crash.
Mike.
From the Canon website:
Pricing & Availability
The EOS 450D Body only is priced at £599.99 RRP inc. VAT / €899.99 RRP inc. VAT
The EOS 450D 18-55mm kit is £679.99 RRP inc. VAT / €999.99 RRP inc. VAT
Both are available from March 2008
Also has the prices of the new 800mm lens (9 grand)!!!
Ian Latham
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It will not please anyone who has just bought a 40D I imagine! It looks (at first glance) to have most of the features and more Mps for £300 less.:eek!:
tjsimonsen
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Well, the 40D has a larger buffer (at least in practical terms), more frames/sec., probably better high ISO and probably faster and more accurate AF (but we'll have to wait for a proper test to jugde the last two points).
IF, however, the high ISO and AF performances are close to those of the 40D, I will seriously consider the 450D instead of the 40D as an upgrade from my 350D.
Thomas
Ian Latham
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It seems to me that Canon have lost the plot!!
Why make an entry level camera better (or equal to) than the higher level Prosumer camera after only 5 months? Some people will have got the 40D at christmas! How will they feel now?
I see this latest move by Canon as being rather damaging to possible future sales..........who will buy the replacement for the 40D and feel confident that it won't have another entry level camera upstage it only a few months down the line.
This of course is the way the compact camera market has behaved for years. I just hope this is not the future of the DSLR market, when people are spending a great deal more money on the product than a compact.
I feel this sort of behaviour just cheapens the whole industry and makes a laughing stock of the consumer! :-C
I really don't think that (on paper) this new camera is as good as the 40D... for biridng the significantly slower frame rate and the smaller buffer on the 450D make it inferior to the 40D. Sure it's got 12MP rather than 10MP, but I think we all know enough to realise how little this really means. Given that the 400D's 10MP sensor is a good deal noisier at high ISO than the 40D's, I'd assume that the new 12MP senser will be worse. I was planning to upgrade my 400D to a 40D, nothing I've seen about this new camera has put me off this plan.
Ian Latham
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What if Canon are going to do what Nikon did with the D40?........It seems that Canon underestimated the competition with the 40D ie. Nikons 12Mps D300, Sonys 12 Mps Alpha A 700, Fujifilm S5 Pro 12Mps etc.
The D40X was Nikons answer to their underestimation only months after the launch of the D40....why would'nt Canon go down the same line?
On this basis are you confident to go out tommorrow and spend £750 on the 40D?:eek!:
In the fast developing world of digital cameras, a new model is always going to be launched not long after you splash out. Waiting for the next would simply mean you never buy a camera.
If the 40D (or whichever model you choose) was impressive enough for you to go out and buy it, it will still remain the same impressive camera regardless if another model comes out too.
Ian Latham
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Why would Canon (knowingly) make a camera worse by adding 2 Mps?
If they are doing that then surely the people that buy the 450D entry level camera are being misled?
If on the other hand the extra 2 Mps make the 450D a better product then why did they not do this to the 40D which now has (more or less) the same features but costs £300 more.:h?:
Primary target for 450D is people upgrading from high end digicams. Most high end digicams have 12MP sensors these days, so Canon wanted to make sure that upgraders were not feeling a psychological sensor resolution let-down.
As pointed earlier in this thread, 40D has significantly higher frame rate, larger buffer, better ergonomics, which are important for somewhat serious photographers, including many birders.
450D has more megapixels, contrast based AF in live view, and automatic contrast adjustment after the picture has been taken, which appear to be features targeted at digicam users.
We need more detailed info on this, but it appears that even though the 450D has a new AF system, it is not the same system that is used on the 40D. The picture of 450D's AF sensor chip appears to be quite different than 40D's AF sensor chip. It looks like only the center point is of cross type in 450D's sensor, and unlike the 40D, the center AF point is not set at 45 degree angles.
Canon has also made the expected move and is now offering the EF-S 18-55 IS lens as a bargain as part of the 450D kit to compete against vendors offering sensor based IS. US retail price of the 450D (or XSi) kit is $899, including the IS kit lens, which is not bad. (400D plus the non-IS kit lens was also introduced at this price).
Overall, 450D is a very good entry-level DSLR.
avan
avan
What gonna remain to the 40D except the 2 mp difference : a metal chassis, two control wheel, a better visor, a pentaprism and a higher buffer so this is where are the difference in price. As I understand the Af is gonna be the same as the 40D as the description say a better AF and the 400D have the same one as the 30D. Like Nigel said, strange move fron Canon, now it's 2 time where the entry model have a bit more.
Sounds like this camera may be a reaction (a spoiler ?) to Nikon's "scheduled" imminent replacement of the D80. Based upon the similarities between the D200 and D80 its fair to assume the D80 replacement will share many similarities with the D300 including sensor and resolution. The extra 2 Mps Canon have given the 450D over the 40D seems strange and although harsh this decision and the timing of the release appears to be a marketing ploy. Personally I think we deserve better and I really hope that Canon have not sacrificed any image quality in the desire to squeeze an extra 2Mps out of the sensor. In the long term its great to see the competition between the big 2. Now I've written this Nikon will come up with yet another revised D40 and bollo-ks to a D80 replacement for yet another year.
Adey Baker
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The 400D is older than the 40D so I suppose it was due for the next upgrade first. With the Nikon 300D already having 12Mps, though, I can't see the 40D going the usual 18 months before replacement with a 50D - if they incorporate the AF during live-view and a swivel-screen LCD then Canon can regain the lead in a very competitive market
Ian Latham
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It looks like the Entry level and Pro Canon users are sitting pretty!!
On a brighter note (for all you Canon 40D owners out there) the very popular weekly 'Amateur Photographer' Magazine voted the 40D as ''Best enthusiast- level digital slr of 2008'' beating the Pentax K10D, Samsung GX-10 and the Sony Alpha A700. :bounce:
nigelblake
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The key issue really is that Canon and Nikon are both guilty of drip-feeding the market for the purpose of a high unit sales turnover. The 450D, and the way it’s specified, has done the job of fuelling anticipation for the successor to the 40D perfectly, as well as just being a higher spec entry level camera competing with rival manufacturers.
We all follow like sheep upgrading to the next model as soon as it appears, the truth is that it is operator skills that get the results; all that a higher frame rate and a bigger buffer gives you is more dud images to delete, there is no substitute for reading your subjects behaviour and anticipating the action, the “machine gun” technique rarely leads to consistent well focused and composed images straight from the camera, so upgrading to 12 Mp, if you still crop to 6mp when editing, is a pretty pointless exercise in my book!
Just maybe getting to understand the kit you have properly (not to mention fieldcraft, and the post processing side too!) will get you far better images than trying to “buy” them by constantly upgrading, there’s no camera yet with a “years of experience” mode!
Whilst I think the competition is good, because we all benefit in the long run, I do think it would be better if the race slowed down a bit, then hopefully it would mean adequately tested cameras being released into the marketplace without all the hassle and “egg on face” that befell the 1D MkIII, and, as it would appear from some of what I have seen on the web, the D300, it seems several people are having sharpness, focus and chroma noise issues with that too.
It would also mean that upgrading really was a big step forward; this upgrade most definitely is not! Forget all the “bobs and whistles” what I want to see is a significant increase in image quality; but the difference between 10 and 12 mp at 300dpi is a measly 1 inch on the longest dimension (12.96 inches and 14 inches respectively, a 7% increase) and that certainly is not going to give any noticeable increase in detail!
We all follow like sheep upgrading to the next model as soon as it appears, the truth is that it is operator skills that get the results; all that a higher frame rate and a bigger buffer gives you is more dud images to delete, there is no substitute for reading your subjects behaviour and anticipating the action, the “machine gun” technique rarely leads to consistent well focused and composed images straight from the camera, so upgrading to 12 Mp, if you still crop to 6mp when editing, is a pretty pointless exercise in my book!
Just maybe getting to understand the kit you have properly (not to mention fieldcraft, and the post processing side too!) will get you far better images than trying to “buy” them by constantly upgrading, there’s no camera yet with a “years of experience” mode!
Whilst I think the competition is good, because we all benefit in the long run, I do think it would be better if the race slowed down a bit, then hopefully it would mean adequately tested cameras being released into the marketplace without all the hassle and “egg on face” that befell the 1D MkIII, and, as it would appear from some of what I have seen on the web, the D300, it seems several people are having sharpness, focus and chroma noise issues with that too.
It would also mean that upgrading really was a big step forward; this upgrade most definitely is not! Forget all the “bobs and whistles” what I want to see is a significant increase in image quality; but the difference between 10 and 12 mp at 300dpi is a measly 1 inch on the longest dimension (12.96 inches and 14 inches respectively, a 7% increase) and that certainly is not going to give any noticeable increase in detail!
