Curtis Croulet
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seanofford said:
Sorry, I thought you were talking about the Luneau video.
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Sorry, I thought you were talking about the Luneau video.
timeshadowed
Time is a Shadow
Tim Allwood said:
You just don't 'get it', do you Tim?
What makes you think that the searchers, who have invested many hours of hard labor searching for the IBWO, OWE it to you just to 'take' you there for FREE!?
You seem to think that someone should be more than willing to just 'take' you to the very spot where you can 'snap' your "perfect photo" of the bird and recieve ALL the GLORY in being the first to obtain that perfect magazine quality photo.
You have not 'earned' the right to see/photo this bird yet!
Get yer butt over here and do some searching alone to earn the priviledge, before you ask to be 'taken' to the sight!
Edward woodwood
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you're hard worktimeshadowed said:
I was told by many people on here to ask them
do you not read previous posts or something?
Tim
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Edward woodwood
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seanofford said:
Sean, i think that's the view of all those who have seen it. They don't think it worth commenting on.
Tim
chris murphy
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timeshadowed said:
I don't think a 'perfect photo' is necessary, just something that is identifiable, or not controversial. Hell...even a decent set of field notes would do, but apparently that ain't ever going to happen.....
Also, about 'earning' the right to see these birds, apparently you can see them in back gardens, from bus windows in Florida etc, so maybe these would be good places to start looking?
And to suggest that you need to 'earn' the right to see one of these birds (whatever species they turn out to be) is ludicrous, as birders we do not need to pass a test or attain a certain level of competence before we are 'allowed' to see a bird. We are birders (or at least some of us are), that is why we are on this forum, so it is not unreasonable to think that someone should show another person a bird for FREE (By free I assume you mean 'without having previously searched' and not in a financial sense, as the $-IBWO relationship is a different matter)
Or is this just some elitism going on here? Or is there really just nothing out there but Pileated's?????????
humminbird
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chris murphy said:
Gallagher and Harrison have both produced field notes.
I would not take him to the field - and that is the first person I have ever said that about.
Edward woodwood
Member
humminbird said:
blimey,
have you seen one as well?
Tim
70ivorybill78
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Posted by chris nurphy
Post #5148
I don't think a 'perfect photo' is necessary, just something that is identifiable, or not controversial. Hell...even a decent set of field notes would do, but apparently that ain't ever going to happen.....
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Chris
Even the field notes will not do, been there, done that.
See my old post below
Steve
additional references, posts 4832, 4837, 4839, 4940 to mention a few
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Originally posted by Mike Johnson
Post #4979
Fail to see what's out of context. There are those on this thread who have stated they have seen IBWO. There are those who claim to know IBWO 'hotspots'. When asked to produce ANY evidence for their claims they cannot, indeed they state that if they had it they would not produce it because of the reaction they would receive. If people question this they get hostile, as do their supporters who regard them as near god-like for having 'seen' one. How more unscientific can one get? And this need not be a scientific journal in order to produce evidence. As has been stated, produce a photo of one of these IBWOs, or an accurate and detailed set of field notes of sightings (incorporating location) and perhaps people will start taking claims a little more seriously.
Mike
Originally posted by 70ivorybill78
Post #4987
Hello Mike
I will try to answer your questions and concerns to the best of my ability.
I have supplied detailed notes regarding my (old 1970s) sightings. I have included what used to be little known field marks of the bird (small white mark at base of crest, etc). I have honestly included things regarding my sightings that many do not consider the norm (very pale gray bill instead of ivory or white, probably from staining). I have created digital illustrations of my sightings based on my field notes. Four other people saw the Ivorybill from my first sighting. Details are on my web page at http://www.sheridanzoo.com/ivorybill.htm, if you do not have the link.
If you say I have not supplied real proof in the form of a photo, a feather or a body, you are correct. If you honestly consider the very detailed data and that most of it was created before the Cornell news releases, then it does become much harder to discount. If you read my web page and the 6 downloadable pdf files and still have questions, I will try to answer them to the best of my abilities.
And Tim
Should you go on an IBWO search, I wish you the best of luck and I truly hope you have the opportunity of seeing one. They are very impressive birds.
Post #5148
I don't think a 'perfect photo' is necessary, just something that is identifiable, or not controversial. Hell...even a decent set of field notes would do, but apparently that ain't ever going to happen.....
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Chris
Even the field notes will not do, been there, done that.
See my old post below
Steve
additional references, posts 4832, 4837, 4839, 4940 to mention a few
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Originally posted by Mike Johnson
Post #4979
Fail to see what's out of context. There are those on this thread who have stated they have seen IBWO. There are those who claim to know IBWO 'hotspots'. When asked to produce ANY evidence for their claims they cannot, indeed they state that if they had it they would not produce it because of the reaction they would receive. If people question this they get hostile, as do their supporters who regard them as near god-like for having 'seen' one. How more unscientific can one get? And this need not be a scientific journal in order to produce evidence. As has been stated, produce a photo of one of these IBWOs, or an accurate and detailed set of field notes of sightings (incorporating location) and perhaps people will start taking claims a little more seriously.
Mike
Originally posted by 70ivorybill78
Post #4987
Hello Mike
I will try to answer your questions and concerns to the best of my ability.
I have supplied detailed notes regarding my (old 1970s) sightings. I have included what used to be little known field marks of the bird (small white mark at base of crest, etc). I have honestly included things regarding my sightings that many do not consider the norm (very pale gray bill instead of ivory or white, probably from staining). I have created digital illustrations of my sightings based on my field notes. Four other people saw the Ivorybill from my first sighting. Details are on my web page at http://www.sheridanzoo.com/ivorybill.htm, if you do not have the link.
If you say I have not supplied real proof in the form of a photo, a feather or a body, you are correct. If you honestly consider the very detailed data and that most of it was created before the Cornell news releases, then it does become much harder to discount. If you read my web page and the 6 downloadable pdf files and still have questions, I will try to answer them to the best of my abilities.
And Tim
Should you go on an IBWO search, I wish you the best of luck and I truly hope you have the opportunity of seeing one. They are very impressive birds.
Winterdune
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Tim Allwood said:
It might well be their view - I just wish they'd say it.
Edward woodwood
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seanofford said:
I'm afraid many luminaries of the birding world don't even follow the thread - it's not taken that seriously (rightly or wrongly), and as i've mentioned before it is rather pilloried in many circles
I guess you'd only really bother commenting if you thought it was an IBWO. The null hypothesis is a Pileated - it has to be proved to be an IBWO not the other way around. Fuzzy shots and very unscientific analysis will convince no one, and ultimately will actually put people off. To claim the head shape in the still pic as diagnostic confirmation is ludicrous.
Tim
Winterdune
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Tim Allwood said:
Yes but I'm not asking for luminaries to comment. Just half-decent birders - like you or me - from across the water. And all this "null hypothesis" quasi scientific stuff misses the point of the internet as a means of disseminating chatter. You should be aware of that Tim!! (No offence intended). We aren't engaged in science here...
timeshadowed
Time is a Shadow
chris murphy said:
Because of Tim's behavior on this thread (and others) and his attitude toward those who have seen the bird, Tim needs to earn back the trust of those who are out searching for the IBWO. No serious searcher is going to TAKE Tim out to their 'hot-spot' during the summer months when the swamps are hot, buggy, and snakey. If Tim wants to search during the summer for the IBWO, then he needs to do it by himself to prove that he is serious about really wanting to see the bird for himself.
If on the otherhand, he comes over to the states during the winter months, he may be able to convince some searchers to accompany them on their search. BUT he still needs to convince the seachers of he sincerity. I'm almost certain that at this point, it is a trust issue. He needs to earn back that trust that his behavior on this forum has cost him.
Winterdune
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timeshadowed said:
He doesn't REALLY want to come, you know. It's a wind up...
Jesse Gilsdorf
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seanofford said:
Yes, we know he doesn't want to come. That's the whole point, and that is why people don't take him seriously. Lacking sincerity causes people to not listen or care to what a person says.
If I had to bet if someone sincerely said "hey, I really want to come look" they might get offers to be put up and taken out to the field.
Too bad.
Grousemore
Senior Member
Jesse Gilsdorf said:
May I say "hey, I really want to come look"?
And I mean it sincerely.
SueO
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A week after sailing into Turkey from Egypt, we had to leave and go to the US due to concerns for my husband’s 93year old mother. She lives in Arkansas. Even though I really didn’t spend a whole lot of time birding, I did see a lot of birds. I got there April 28th and was able to see some migrating birds for a short period. I saw 47 species in the two months I was there and 34 of those were new to me. I will write more about that in another forum, but I just wanted to write here about our little touch of IB fever. While we were in Pine Bluff we read that the small town of Clarendon was putting on a Bird Festival, and that the IB search team was going to speak about the previous seasons search. My husband and I got up early and made the hour and a half drive. We wanted to get there early because a guided tour was offered in the morning. I’d never been on a guided bird tour before so I wanted to do that. The speeches regarding the search for the IB would be later.
When we arrived we went on the levee walk with our guides, Mel and Dan. While we were standing around waiting for things to get underway, I talked to Dan. I can’t remember how I phrased it, but I asked him something about birding experience. He humbly said he had some; he also had a doctorate in ornithology from Purdue! Talk about a guide. He is a director with Audubon Arkansas. Well, how was I supposed to know? He looks like he’s still in high school. We went on two tours that day, one on the levee and one in the Louisiana Purchase State Park. We enjoyed both outings.
The IB team is called The Big Woods Conservation Partnership and is made up of quite a few entities. Four of the biggies are The Nature Conservancy, Cornell, Arkansas Fish and Game, and Audubon Arkansas. All those just mentioned where represented at the festival. As all who have been reading this thread know, the search wasn’t too successful. It must have been really disappointing to all who participated. They seemed like very down to earth people and were easy to approach and talk to. There wasn’t a whiff of high-falootin’ snobbery. They came across as earnest, and there certainly didn’t seem to be doubt on their end regarding the IB existence. I spoke briefly with Cornell’s Ron Rohrbaugh after the talk. I asked if they had found any feathers or droppings that could be dna’d. He said they had sent some feathers in, but they weren’t IBs. He said his mind was running along those lines and he’d even thought up an idea for a gizmo that would help with collecting. He was a nice guy, patient and soft spoken; I think he has the right personality for his profession. I wish the whole bunch good luck.
Some Arkansas images:
When we arrived we went on the levee walk with our guides, Mel and Dan. While we were standing around waiting for things to get underway, I talked to Dan. I can’t remember how I phrased it, but I asked him something about birding experience. He humbly said he had some; he also had a doctorate in ornithology from Purdue! Talk about a guide. He is a director with Audubon Arkansas. Well, how was I supposed to know? He looks like he’s still in high school. We went on two tours that day, one on the levee and one in the Louisiana Purchase State Park. We enjoyed both outings.
The IB team is called The Big Woods Conservation Partnership and is made up of quite a few entities. Four of the biggies are The Nature Conservancy, Cornell, Arkansas Fish and Game, and Audubon Arkansas. All those just mentioned where represented at the festival. As all who have been reading this thread know, the search wasn’t too successful. It must have been really disappointing to all who participated. They seemed like very down to earth people and were easy to approach and talk to. There wasn’t a whiff of high-falootin’ snobbery. They came across as earnest, and there certainly didn’t seem to be doubt on their end regarding the IB existence. I spoke briefly with Cornell’s Ron Rohrbaugh after the talk. I asked if they had found any feathers or droppings that could be dna’d. He said they had sent some feathers in, but they weren’t IBs. He said his mind was running along those lines and he’d even thought up an idea for a gizmo that would help with collecting. He was a nice guy, patient and soft spoken; I think he has the right personality for his profession. I wish the whole bunch good luck.
Some Arkansas images:
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