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  1. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    I wonder why the authors favoured using a Quechuan word for sun as its English name, instead of simply calling it Sun Tanager...?
  2. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    I take it this is the "San Pedro/Manu Road/Kill Bill" Tanager? Anyone with access know what the scientific name is?
  3. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    Cladogram from Daniel Cadena's Twitter post...
  4. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    I'd like to see a similar approach applied consistently across whole of Aves (e.g.): genus at least 5 million years old; family c. 30 million years old; order c. 65 million years old.
  5. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    Shame it's not your decision! This suits both morphology and divergence time estimates and is a more sensible taxonomy than any of the published ones :)
  6. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    Definitely to splitting up Psilopogon! At the moment, a broadly defined Psilopogon is completely at odds with the way the members of Lybiidae are treated. It gives the wrong impression that African barbets are vastly more diverse than Asian barbets; further, names are available for all the main...
  7. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    Yes, the approach taken by Burns et al (2016) seems to be focussed on retaining (most of) the traditional Thraupis rather than consistently representing the diversity of the whole Thraupis-Tangara group. The whole complex has a primary divergence (c. 10 mya) into a Tangara-group and a...
  8. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    Yes, it was a link (reply #10 on this very thread) to a World Bird Info page. The link no longer works :(
  9. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    There is already a Thlypopsis ruficeps (the Rust-and-yellow Tanager) so subsuming Pyrrocoma into Thlypopsis means a new specific name is required. I believe that T. castaneiceps has already been proposed however. Shame about Euschemon. Stilpnia is not an attractive name!
  10. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    No, Pitylus doesn’t represent one of the older groups. Primary divergence between Saltatricula (including Saltator atricollis) and the remaining Saltator is c. 10 million years old (i.e. older than some recently recognised West Indian 9-primaried "families"). The latter group diverged again...
  11. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    Very pleased to at last have a name for Rufous-bellied Saltator! Most suggestions are very welcome but there are definitely a few issues: 3. Merge Saltatricula Burmeister, 1861 into Saltator Vieillot, 1816 Seems an odd suggestion when the diversity within other genera is finally being...
  12. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    Sorry Nomenclatorist, but I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Both species are included in the Burns et al (2014) study but it is the Blue-capped which is shown to belong outside its traditional genus (Thraupis). Thanks Laurent for confirmation. I do hope that two of the newly proposed...
  13. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    Yes, I suspect Paranospiza is not valid. The type of Sporathraupis is 'Aglaia cyanocephala' which refers to the Blue-capped rather than the Red-necked.
  14. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    I'm really looking forward to seeing more details of this paper. A few of the 'un-named' taxa being discussed may already have existing names: 'Tachyphonus' cristatus, 'T'. rufiventer, 'T'. luctuosus = Loriotus, Jarocki 1821 'Thraupis' cyanocephala = Sporathraupis, Ridgway, 1898 'Poospiza'...
  15. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    Yes, they say: "Our analyses revealed 13 strongly-supported nodes relatively early in the tree that define novel subgroups of tanagers (Fig. 1) that we designate as subfamilies. These clades are the deepest nodes in the tree that are supported by either PP ≥ 0.95 or bootstrap ≥ 70%. All are...
  16. andrew147

    Thraupidae

    You should be able to see the relationships between the fifteen groups in the attached file. They are not all equal and equivalent and an argument could be made for fewer subfamilies divided into tribes. No, no Cherry-throated Tanager - for which, considering its rarity, we should probably be...
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