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mb1848

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Mr. Jobling uses Falco cherrug coatesi Dementiev 1945 but Charles Vaurie used F. c. coatsi. I have not seen the OD but wonder which is right. If it is coatsi I wonder if it is related to the person that Regulus c. coatsi is named for?
http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/114181#page/526/mode/1up .
1904 versus 1945??
F. c. coatesi/coatsi is from Uchenia Zapiski Gosudarstvo Moskovskii. Учения Записки Государство и Московский?
 
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Could it be this guy? The Harold White-John Coats Abyssinian Expedition of the Field Museum was also active. I know there is no relationship between Abyssinian and Siberia but maybe he was collecting there as well?

Major John Coats of Ayrshire
 
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mb1848 said:
Учения Записки Государство и Московский?
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"Ученые записки Московского государственного университета", it seems. (Alt. "Ученые записки (Московский государственный университет)" or "Ученые записки МГУ". Московский государственный университет (МГУ) is the Moscow State University (MSU). "Московского государственного университета" is the same but in the genitive case, thus "of the MSU".)
[This].
Zoonomen says vol.83, p.93.
When I search on Дементьев сокол подвид (Dement'ev falcon subspecies), I get results from pp. 86, 92, 94, with Dement'ev's name in the header, so he is indeed the author, and two subspecies of Saker cited on p.92. But I don't get any result when searching on scientific names (the OCR-izing was certainly made assuming Cyrillic, and the OCR program presumably misinterpreted words written in the Latin alphabet).
 
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mb1848 said:
Mr. Jobling uses Falco cherrug coatesi Dementiev 1945 ...
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Does he? Or did he?

Note that coatesi is not listed in today's HBW Alive Key, and there´s no Falco cherrug subspecies listed under coatsi. Maybe James is working on it?

However, the most common spelling I´ve seen used for the subspecies "Turkestan/Turkestanian Saker Falcon" is Falco cherrug coatsi DEMENTIEV 1945, but neither I have seen the OD.

The subspecies Regulus regulus coatsi SUSHKIN 1904, is found here, as "Regulus cristatus coatsi", but no dedication nor explanation.

Who Mr. Coat(e)s was? In 1904 vs 1945? I haven´t got a clue!

Good luck finding him, the Falcon and its OD.

Björn

PS. Also see this link, here, from the Middle East Falcon Research Group, Saker Falcon Bibliography:
Dement'yev, G. P. 1945. O sistematicheskom polozhenii turkmenskogo balobana [On systematical status of the Turkmen Saker Falcon]. // Uchenye zapiski Moskovskogo Universiteta [Transactions of Moskow University], issue 83. P.92-95. Bibliogr.: p.95.
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Calalp said:
PS. Also see this link, here, from the Middle East Falcon Research Group, Saker Falcon Bibliography: Dement'yev, G. P. 1945 ...
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So we got the full reference, then:
Дементьев Г.П. 1945. О систематическом положении туркменского балобана. Ученые записки (Московский государственный университет) 83:92-95.
 
For what it's worth, Дементьев 1952 (Птицы Туркменистана, Birds of Turkmenistan -- [djvu]) spelled it coatsi.
The type is an adult female, that was collected on 6 Dec 1941 at Кугитанг (Kugitang), Turkmenistan. No collector cited.
 
Handbook of the Birds of the World Alive (31/01/2015), here or/alt. here [i.e. not James's Key] seems to be the source of, and the only one using; "Falco cherrug coatesi".

All the others, (on Avibase, here) use: Falco cherrug coatsi.

I wonder if the HBW Alive Crew has seen the OD?

I assume James's seen it as it not in his list of "unseen" OD's … !?
 
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(the OCR-izing was certainly made assuming Cyrillic, and the OCR program presumably misinterpreted words written in the Latin alphabet).
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I still can't see the image, but after playing a bit, it appears the OCR-ized text stored in Google Books says:

"Названия для этой расы еще нет и мы предлагаем поэтому ей имя Ра1сохсЬегги# с о а I з 1 в честь профессора А. Ф. К о т с а, собравшего в Дарвиновском музее одну из лучших современных коллекций соколов."
"There is no name for this race yet and we offer it therefore the name "Ра1сохсЬегги# с о а I з 1" in honour of the professor A. F. K o t s, who gathered at the Darwin Museum one of the best modern collections of falcons."

Ра1сохсЬегги# с о а I з 1
Falco cherrug c o a t s i

The bird is named after Александр Фёдорович Котс.
 
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The Natural History Museum says an alternative name is Coates, Alexander Eric.
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On the Wikipedia page, he is also noted as "Alexander Erich Kohts".
His father is cited as Альфред (Фёдор Карлович) Котс: Alfred (Fedor Karlovich) "Kots"; and is said to be born in Berlin.
"Котс" is presumably a Russianized form of a western name. I have no hard evidence of what the original spelling was, but evidently Dement'ev thought it had to be spelled "Coats".
 
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Just a thought; could Alexandr Fedorovich Kots (1880–1964) possibly, eventually also be involved in the "Pica pica kot" GAVRILENKO 1929, that we dealt with in August, in thread Some "unseen" descriptions … now seen! (post #128 and 130; here)?

Or not?

But maybe that´s simply wishful thinking, pushing our luck?

Björn

PS. Regarding Mr. Kots, ("Sasha", among friends) see the following link, here:
Alexander Kots was born in Moscow in 1880 in the family of German immigrant, Ph.D., University of Gottingen, an outstanding botanist, linguist and poet-lover Alfred Karlovich Kots and Eugenia Aleksandrovna, born Grassmann.
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... and so on.
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Calalp said:
PS. Regarding Mr. Kots, ("Sasha", among friends) see the following link, here
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Interesting. Unfortunately, this of course is a Russian site, and "Kots" is probably just a back-transliteration of "Котс" from Russian to English (as, indeed, I did above). Thus this says little about how it was initially written, in the time his father still lived in Germany, where his name presumably did not include a typically Russian patronym ("Karlovich") yet.

(I'm unconvinced about the magpie. But who knows...? ;))
 
His wife Nadezhda "Nadia" Nikolaevna Ladygin (1889-1963) [alt. Надежда Николаевна Ладыгина-Котс] was quite a famous Russian zoologist. Photos of them both, with loads of others (here). Also see; here.

But! The important addition in this Post is Die Vogelfauna des Minussinsk Gebietes, des westlichen Teils des Sajan Gebirges und des Urjanchen-Landes by Petr Petrovich Sushkin 1913 (here), where we are told (in German) that our dear Mr. Kots ("A. F. Kohts") participated in an Expedition in 1902, thereby linking him even closer also to the Goldcrest subspecies Regelus regulus coatsi SUSHKIN 1904. To tell if it truly does you need better knowledge in German than I master, but see pp. 3-4 (Note; bottom page pagina), the Goldcrest itself is mentioned at least on pp. 70, 82, 104 and 181-182.

Hoever; enjoy!

Björn

PS. Laurent, I too have serious doubts on the magpie. It was just a thought. I hoped you would se a possible interpretation. It was worth a long-shot. Or maybe not. ;)
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