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Chlamydotis macqueenii (1 Viewer)

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As here the East India Company is mentioned I just give another guess on MacQueen. Could it be James Macqueen (1788-1870) here or maybe Captain Farquar MacQueen who was an old East India Company captain, brought out from England to command the P. &. O. Company's opium hulk, Fort William. As already mentioned in HBW Alive a very difficult one.
 
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Here A List of the Officers of the Army and of the Corps of Royal Marines a Lt. John Potter MacQueen and here A List of the Officers of the Army and of the Corps of Royal Marines a Donald MacQueen. At lease we can find Thomas Hardwicke as well there.

In The India Office List we can find a couple more like Kenneth MacQueen, Andrew MacQueen, William MacQueen, Æneas Mac Queen, the mentioned Thomas Richard MacQueen.

MacQueen's Bustard Chlamydotis macqueenii J. E. Gray, 1832
General Thomas Richard MacQueen (1792–1840) collected in the Himalayas and north-west India and presented the bustard to the BMNH. At the time when he collected it, he was a major in the 45th Bengal Native Infantry – a regimentin the Bengal Army of the Honourable East India Company.

“The identity of Macqueen remains a mystery. In the 1940s, Sir Hugh Gladstone made extensive enquiries concerning Macqueen at the British Museum, the Royal Scottish Museum, the India Office and the Bombay Natural History Society. He also placed advertisements in national newspapers and though he received several suggestions there was no Macqueen with any ornithological connection” (Mearns & Mearns 1988). Coomans de Ruiter et al. 1947, refer to a Lt.-Gen. Macqueen of the Bengal Army, who is the same as Major Thomas Macqueen (1792-1840) of the 45th Bengal Native Infantry, and Warren 1966, lists the type, a relaxed mount, as being collected and presented by General Macqueen. However, this link is tenuous (the original BM catalogue lists the type as being purchased from Mr Macqueen (Mearns & Mearns 1988)). The relaxed mount infers that the specimen must have been in a private museum or collection. Kirby 1939, refers to J. McQueen, a Scottish philanthropist with an interest in natural history who, in response to appeals published in the UK and in India, donated £300 in 1834 to Andrew Smith’s expedition in South Africa. Wynne 1969, not only has a question-mark against Maj. Th. R. MacQueen (son of John MacQueen of Lanark), but also against Kenneth MacQueen (dates not given), referred to in Sir Hugh Gladstone’s 1949 MS notes (Chlamydotis).

Think plate is OD v.2 (1833-1834) - Illustrations of Indian zoology - Biodiversity Heritage Library

Maybe here anyone with some idea who he was?
 
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The Honourable East India Company's Ship 'MacQueen' made several voyages between India and England in the early 1830s. Is it possible that the type was purchased NOT from Mr or General Macqueen but from someone aboard the HCS MacQueen?
 
West Indies not East. This is not him.

Found this likely fellow:

Macqueen 9th Regiment Bengal Native Infantry
First NameKenneth
Assistant SurgeonMay 3, 1818
SurgeonSeptember 16, 1829
page40-41
SourceDodwell & Miles Alphabetical List of the Medical Officers of the Indian Army with the dates of their respective appointment, promotion, retirement, resignation, or death, whether in India or Europe, London 1839

The 9th were part of the Geological Survey of the Himalayas and surgeons were always naturalists.

He wrote of his time in Uttarakhand (somewhat obtusely) in an 1856 religious tome. Late in life he became a stalwart of the Edinburgh Medical Missionary Society.

Can't find any evidence that T.R. (in the 45th) was ever in the Himalyas.

The Bengal Native Artillery was commanded by Hardwicke so Hardwicke and this Kenneth Macqueen would have been acquainted.

Dr. Kenneth MacQueen (Free Church Layman)​

1797–1878​

BIRTH 27 DECEMBER 1797 • Applecross, Ross, Scotland
DEATH 28 OCTOBER 1878 • Portobello, Midlothian, Lothian, Scotland, United Kingdom
 
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But shouldn't we expect a surgeon to have been called "Dr. Macqueen" by Gray 1844, rather than "Mr. Macqueen" ?


Coomans de Ruiter et al. 1947, refer to a Lt.-Gen. Macqueen of the Bengal Army, who is the same as Major Thomas Macqueen (1792-1840) of the 45th Bengal Native Infantry, and Warren 1966, lists the type, a relaxed mount, as being collected and presented by General Macqueen.

FWIW, and for the sake of completeness, Sharpe 1894 already listed the type as being the skin of an immature bird collected in "N.W. India", and having been presented (= the meaning of "[P.]" in this work) by "General Macqueen".
 
But shouldn't we expect a surgeon to have been called "Dr. Macqueen" by Gray 1844, rather than "Mr. Macqueen" ?




FWIW, and for the sake of completeness, Sharpe 1894 already listed the type as being the skin of an immature bird collected in "N.W. India", and having been presented (= the meaning of "[P.]" in this work) by "General Macqueen".
Traditionally surgeons adopted "Mr" to differentiate them from mere MDs (or GPs as we would now say).

John
 
Kenneth's Brothers: no evidence of service in the Himalayas
Capt Donald - 74th (Highlanders) Foot - British Regular Army. The 74th was in Canada in the period in question. Married in Canada in 1819
Capt George (1789-) - 95th Rifle Regiment- British Regular Army.
Lt Alexander (1778-1807) - 1st Bengal Native Infantry (died a very junior Lt.
Capt Farquhar MacQueen (1800-1855) - Indian Navy

Madras Presidency MacQueens (at the wrong end of India)
Major Andrew - Madras Native Infantry - Wrong part of the Raj and he died in 1829 hence would have been called "the late Major" (not Mr).
Lt Aeneas - Madras Native Infantry - Wrong part of the Raj, Would have been called Lt not Mr
Lt William - Madras Native Infantry - Wrong part of the Raj, Died in 1828, Would have been called "the late Lt" not Mr

Incidentally, Thomas Richard NEVER attained the rank of general.

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Maybe somewhat late, though if still of interest, I also took a (brief) look at ...

• MacQueen's Bustard Chlamydotis macqueenii (J. E.) GRAY 1832 (for the OD/Plate itself, see Martin's link in post #2, or here), as "Otis Macqueenii", a k a the Asian/Eastern Houbara (Bustard) Psophia/Houbara/Eupodotis (undulata/undulatus) macqueenii, from the "Hamalaya [sic] Mountains"* (i.e. the alleged 'type location', as given on the Plate).

This taxon was also mentioned by Blyth, in Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal 16, Part 2 (1847), here. And by R. Bowdler Sharpe (in 1894, here), with multiple references, and synonyms.

Either way, note that Mearns & Mearns in their new Biographies for Birdwatchers (Revised and Expanded edition, 2022) says:
... The Bustard was named by J.E. Gray in 1832 on a colour plate in his Illustrations of Indian Zoology, from a specimen found in the northern part of the Indian subcontinent. ... Its Himalayan type locality was so obviously in error, that in 1930 it was amended to “the foothills of N.W. India” (which would now include north Pakistan). 1 Gray's specific name macqueenii continues to be a mystery as no one has yet proved the identity of Macqueen (the spelling we shall use throughout to cover such variants as MacQueen, McQueen and M’Queen).
[...]
Thereafter follows a long account, of six rich (A4) pages [!], covering their multiple, both intriguing and time-consuming, efforts to find the said 'Macqueen' (dealing with, and following the trails of, various possible and/or alleged dedicatees) incl.; Dr Kenneth Macqueen, Reverend John Macqueen, Major Thomas Richard Macqueen (who apparently was neither a General, nor a General-Major alt. a Major-General? [just like Paul stated in post #10]), as well as a Captain Simon Macqueen, a Surveyor by the name Alexander Macqueen, an MP Thomas Potter Macqueen, a pro-slavery geographer James Macqueen, an ornithology interested James Neville Macqueen, etc., etc.), with several analyses, incl. pros and cons, with their points of favour/s, and dittos against, all in all trying to sort out their respective advantages and disadvantages, with arguments and considerations, for and against, back and forth, ... ending up with nothing but an anonymous Mr Macqueen:
[...]
After all this rummaging and rather too much speculation, we are forced to re-quote Gladstone: “to be judicially fair it cannot be said that the Macqueen who gave his name to Macqueen’s Bustard has been identified.” The answer, if there is one, may yet lie hidden amongst Hardwicke’s voluminous papers.

Footnote 1 (in the first quote above):
Ticehurst, C. B. 1930. Notes on the Fauna of British India; Birds. Vol 4, 5 & 6. Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society 34: 468-490 [i.e. page 482, here]

And their reference/s to "Gladstone" is/are:
Gladstone, H [Hugh]. 1948. Macqueen’s Bustard. Ibis 90 [No. 2]: 337–338. [unseen by me]
Gladstone, H. 1948. Macqueen’s Bustard. Claims of those of the name Macqueen who may have given their names to the bird. Unpublished typescript, dated 18 May 1948. [ditto]

All in all, I do agree with the Mearns Couple, as I doubt that a, or any, Doctor (or Surgeon) or even an Officer of the British (Imperial) Army, would have been called just "Mr MacQueen", not in that Era. In those days most people was pretty careful (even meticulous) concerning their respective proper/correct Titles.

["Farnboro John", as I've never seen this assertion/statement before, please develop your claims, as told in post #8, preferably also with examples (in earlier threads/topics we've seen many, many surgeons titled "Dr."). Also see, for another example, from 1831: here].

Thus, this far (at least to me) Mr MacQueen does remain a mystery.

If anyone feel like having yet another go, the many Papers left by Hardwicke [Thomas Hardwicke (1756-1835)**], seems to be kept in the British Museum, and in the British Library (see here).

And, if giving it a try: Good luck!

Björn

PS. I´m pretty glad he isn't one "of my guys", as this Bird is called kragtrap in Swedish (meaning Collared Bustard, a name far, far easier to understand, and explain) ;)

PPS. As well note that Hardwicke's Plates was done by ('his') hired, local Indian Artists, not by Hardwicke himself, which has often been claimed, in various texts (and all over the internet).


* "Hamalaya" (Mountains) might/could possibly[?] also indicate an Origin from the North-Eastern parts of today's Afghanistan. Or not?
** Hardwicke himself was also commemorated in several Birds (according to the Key here).
 

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