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  1. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    I think that if you add in Zino then most would probably produce the same order in which the three eponyms should be "corrected".... 😀 All the best Paul
  2. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Many thanks for this. The analysis and the figures relate to vertebrates. So about 70,000 of the world's 1.3 million taxa are vertebrates and this proposal appears to be from a minority interest in biodiversity..... On our local rewilding site in under two years in an unremarkable piece of...
  3. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Excellent news on the important stuff! Good luck with the last few fledglings and tying up the end of season tasks. 😀 I totally get the point on names generally but in my view, there are elements here where what is being done is daft and the changing of non-offsensive names as has been proposed...
  4. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Link is in my post above. The online form. "Please submit your ideas and comments to us through this online form by Friday, 31 May 2024." All the best Paul
  5. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Angry best avoided. 😀 (I hope all is well with you. Just dipped into latest news to see another strong breeding season for your excellent work.) All the best Paul
  6. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Having (apparently) recognised that it has failed to behave appropriately to date in its implementation. this is an attempt to appear more inclusive. The organisation therefore has sort more wide-ranging input. In doing so, it has decided to control that input in two respects. Firstly, the...
  7. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    The four principle reasons would be:- (1) the potential use of the names by an international system that you may use - eBird; (2) the potential use of the names in future American or international literature that you may purchase or indeed free content such as the Internet; (3) in order to...
  8. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Where can I find this 'poll'? Or do you mean the form referred to here... "The AOS leadership is interested in any ideas, comments, feedback, and suggestions you would like to share with us about the development of this pilot project and how you might become involved; about any AOS decisions or...
  9. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    I think the challenge falls within differing perceptions on whether the status quo works. All the best Paul
  10. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lepto- The use of Latin name throughout this post for scientific names is delightfully ironic in light of the topic. It is clearly as inappropriate as Inca Dove and I feel for any Greek readers who may be offended.... 😀 All the best Paul
  11. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Many thanks for posting. I read it mainly to find out whether there was anything persuasive in there that changing the majority of names would improve diversity and engagement. I failed to find anything cogent or persuasive and instead saw a repetition of that opinion as if it were fact. That...
  12. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Probably fair but what you have summed up here is why I am opposed to it. Lack of excitement. Lack of advocates. No compelling support or reasons. Unlikely to achieve its purpose. We are all familiar with relatively poor ideas with insufficient thought and planning being implemented producing...
  13. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Only found two second editions in a quick search. I suppose that this is a good example of birders sticking with some names even when everyone knows that they are technically inaccurate. That said with the petition having hit 'for 666' maybe we all need to be a bit more open to the subliminal...
  14. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Impressive library. You must have dustier shelves than me! Dug out my Field Guides off the shelf to see when the name changed. Saunders (1889) refers to the fact that it is not a Tit in its text but uses the heading Bearded Titmouse and the name Bearded Tit in the text. The next edition that...
  15. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Both of you are of course entirely fine because the British BOU List sets out Bearded Reedling as the international IOC English name and Bearded Tit as the normal English name in usage. So let's call the whole thing off.... 😉 All the best Paul
  16. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Absolutely and I think that most people are in the middle ground with their views and broadly happy to be educated further. Some will never change their positions. But for most of us, we know that we are on a learning curve here. With a coherent worked up complete clear proposal and an...
  17. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Birding is a minority interest. I am just a birder and in general terms, a local one. I do not think that the leaders or grown ups have any real concept or understanding how to make it mainstream or to increase its popularity or to change people's priorities. There is an element to which the...
  18. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Many thanks for the response. All the best Paul
  19. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    The language in that quotation stands alone. Grown-ups. Leaders. You do not convince anyone by telling them that they are not a grown up. You do not convince anyone by telling them that they have non-elected leaders. (Indeed, even if they were elected leaders, you need to win people's hearts...
  20. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    "It creates division where there doesn’t have to be one, as long as the grown-ups / leaders in the birding world / ornithology can sit around one table and discuss it there." Such a lovely attitude of superiority. Present a lot in birding.... All the best Paul
  21. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Thank you. In the sense that it is an equivalent scientific body & maintains a list, then absolutely. In respect of vernacular names, however, formally BOU follow IOC and whilst they recognise that those may differ at times from our normal names, it is the current common usage within Britain...
  22. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Many thanks. I would still consider it a small organisation but it does explain why through past efforts and work, it would be respected. Almost a privileged position of influence. There are parallels to be drawn here in all sorts of ways.... I was at university with some friends who are now...
  23. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    I had rather got the nature of the organisation wrong. Many thanks for pushing me to look at their membership. A small group of scientists. I am rather puzzled why anyone would listen to them on this issue and why anyone would adopt their approach. All the best Paul
  24. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Petition is currently 4,420 signatures so I guess having commenced at the end of November, it will be nearer 5,000 signatures within two months:-...
  25. Paul Chapman

    Petition to AOS Leadership on the Recent Decision to Change all Eponymous Bird Names

    Thank you for the clarification. Irrespective of the content and strength of the arguments, I am surprised that you consider this website to represent "a great piece of writing":- https://birdnamesforbirds.wordpress.com/ I was more reminded at times of some of the great writing of the...
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