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  1. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    A lot of Linnaeus' knowledge came from the earlier literature rather than from a personal experience of the birds. It was not that infrequent that he changed his mind about the interpretation of some names, which he had adopted from some earlier authors. In the 10th edition, he cited "Tringa"...
  2. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    "Sandläuffer", actually -- literally, "sand-walker" or "sand-runner". But sandpiper is probably a good approximation. Note that he wrote Ocrophus, not Ochropus. (He used the same spelling in the 10th ed.) The Latin diagnosis of the "58. TRINGA." group says Rostrum digitis brevius (bill shorter...
  3. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    They used a supermatrix of genetic sequences downloaded from GenBank, i.e., largely the same data as in earlier studies. (I'd have loved to see a complete list of the sequences they actually used, but they did not provide one. Their data set was certainly not problem-free -- just look at the...
  4. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    There is a readable tree in the "Supporting Information".
  5. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    This is an older change. The rearrangement was made in IOC Version 10.2 (July 25, 2020) -- see Taxonomic Updates – IOC World Bird List -- before Kirchman et al 2021 and Depino et al 2023, at a time when no data were available yet for several of the involved species. And it's not a nomenclatural...
  6. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Yes, indeed. castaneiceps is the species that should be in Anurolimnas Sharpe 1893 (it is the type by original designation). fasciatus is sister to [viridis + schomburgki] in phylogenetic analyses (Kirchman et al 2021, Depino et al 2023), and could either be included in Rufirallus (type Rallus...
  7. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Until now, there was no genetic material available for N. borealis; this species in Černý & Natale's tree is sister to N. minutus based on morphological similarity only. The position of this pair, on the other hand, is presumably mainly a result of genetic data -- i.e., borealis presumably...
  8. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    This would have to be called Phaeopus Cuvier 1816, I believe. https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/1844995
  9. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Most of Linnaeus' "Bell. av." references were not to Belon's Histoire de la nature des oyseaux, published in 1555, but to his Portraits d'oiseaux, animaux, serpents, herbes, arbres, hommes et femmes d'Arabie et d'Egypte, published in 1557. This is an illustrated volume, in which sheets are...
  10. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Tringa Linnaeus 1758 originally included 13 spp : Tringa pugnax, T. vanellus, T. gambetta, T. interpres, T. 'tobata' = lobata, T. fulicaria, T. alpina, T. 'ocrophus' = ochropus (with 'Tringa' cited from Aldrovandus, Willughby and Ray, in its synonymy), T. hypoleucos, T. canutus, T. glareola, T...
  11. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Reasonnably high. There are three seqs of G. undulata and many of Coenocorypha spp, so I think a problem with the sequences is very unlikely. But of course it's only one mitochondrial gene, and what it shows could conceivably not reflect the phylogeny.
  12. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    PS -- Gallinago undulata sister to Coenocorypha is due to cox1 sequences. (Nothing else has been sequenced from G. undulata.) Blast from the past (10 years ago...) : Scolopaci
  13. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    The supplementary material is at https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S1055790322002330-mmc1.pdf
  14. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    forbesi is part of a group that also includes tricollaris, cucullatus, melanops, novaeseelandiae, dubius, placidus (not the chimeras), and the hiaticula-melodus-semipalmatus-vociferus clade. I think going beyond this amounts to over-reading the data that are available at this point. (The only...
  15. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    For Long-billed Plover: The mitogenome KY419888 is indeed clearly C. alexandrinus. Of the four available cox1 sequences: KM001301, KM001302, and KM001303 are almost identical to one another (0 to 1 substitution in 429 bp), and differ from MT602072 almost exclusively in their central parts (e.g...
  16. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    The sequences that were used are apparently Stiltia isabella. See my comments and first attachment here.
  17. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    No, this is not what I was looking for. (It's interesting, though, so thanks for it nevertheless.) I'm after this:
  18. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    And did you find any supplemental file ?
  19. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    The relationships among oystercatchers make no sense whatsoever...
  20. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Chettusia is a bit problematic. The source that is usually acknowledged for this name is this, which was in part XXIII of Bonaparte's Iconografia della fauna italica, published in 1838. The problem is -- the name "Chettusia gregaria" as it appears there, just like "Ganga grandule" for the...
  21. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Temminck, not Rafinesque. https://books.google.com/books?id=agoOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA321
  22. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    And, FWIW, Oedicnemus magnirostris Vieillot 1818 was rejected as a secondary homonym before 1961 (Meinertzhagen AC. 1924. A review of the genus Oedicnemus. Ibis, ser. 11, 6: 329-356.; https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1474-919X.1924.tb05330.x), neglectus Mathews 1912 being then substituted to it: its...
  23. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Usage of the name magnirostris in Burhinidae is a complete mess: without knowing which sequences they used, it's very hard to be sure. (And even then...) GenBank currently has no sequences attributed to Esacus at all, and redirects searches on "Burhinus magnirostris" automatically to Burhinus...
  24. l_raty

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    They were not critical enough when they included some sequences in their supermatrix, I'm afraid. The position of Lymnocryptes makes no sense, and is likely due to the RAG1 sequence EF373192, which is probably a chimera -- the first 900 bp of the sequence are fully identical to Limosa...
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