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  1. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    I wonder if there are any plans to make WGAC comments public, since clearly the SACC folks have access to them. Would make for fascinating reading.
  2. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Some of divergence dates also seem difficult. IIRC, the split between Seedsnipe and Plains Wanderer was a lot younger in the last version.
  3. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Nevermind...same author group and similar figures, but the text appears to be a bit different as are the findings
  4. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    This is the same paper that was discussed around New Years, correct? And not a new article?
  5. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    No, I didn't find what I was looking for, although skimming through the paper I did manage to answer my own questions and on some TiF decisions. Random comments: Not sure I feel comfortable splitting apart Calidris. While in theory I don't mind cryptic genera, to me the degree of morphological...
  6. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Oh god...searching for the supplemental files for the Černý and Natale (2021) resulted in me discovering that Pterosaur Heresies has also found the paper. Lord have mercy on us all...
  7. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Taxonomy in flux has a substantial update focused on Charadriiformes: http://jboyd.net/Taxo/changes.html Magellanic Plover: The Magellanic Plover family, Pluvianellidae, has been demoted to a subfamily (Pluvianellinae) of the sheathbill family Chionidae. [Chionidae, Charadriiformes, 3.06]...
  8. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Oh I am familiar with the knowledge that taxonomic ranks (even species) are in the big picture arbitrary and there are more interesting things to do with phylogenies (I am a assistant professor in a biology department by the way, with a background in phylogenetics, I just don't work on birds)...
  9. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    The Pluvialiidae-Charadriidae split is old enough to probably still warrant family recognition
  10. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Yeah...I would also keep Jacanas and Painted Snipe separate
  11. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Absolutely no idea to handle Glareolidae...whose difficulty is not made easier by having the early-diverging genera paraphyletic
  12. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Yeah, I think a reasonable choice could be made to lump them into one family, although I would still recognize them as separate subfamilies Splitting Scolopacidae still feels dirty, although if the dates are correct here, it's hard not to justify it. And they are probably more morphologically...
  13. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Similar argument could be made for Pedionomidae and Thinocoridae, if you contrast it with the other divergences in Scolopaci. Those different subfamilies are OLD (Tringinae vs Arenariinae is late Eocene!)...makes me wonder if they wouldn't be better treated as family level taxon?
  14. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    looking over these this and the Rallidae paper, so sort of stream of consciousness style thoughts might be posted on this forum this morning Surprised the paper doesn't bring up that Jack Snipe was recovered as sister to godwits, since that seems...weird
  15. Mysticete

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Great paper...wish they tackled what should or shouldn't be a family, since the dates here seem more reasonable than all of the prior papers focused on this clade. It would be nice if an effort was made to figure out just what should count as a family within Charadriiformes, since there is still...
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