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  1. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Only time will tell
  2. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Or perhaps basal to the coursers?
  3. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Hi David. I think many or most of us here on this forum are not biologists or even particularly interested in the methods used to investigate bird phylogeny. I suspect many just cut straight to the trees to find out if there are any surprises, unexpected placements, or species not studied...
  4. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Or it's true affinities may lie elsewhere Tom
  5. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Which has priority?🤔
  6. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Yup, I agree. Who came up with "Euburhinus"?
  7. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    So to organise these: VANELLINAE 1) Hoploxypterus: cayanus 2) Belonopterus: chilensis, resplendens 3) Vanellus: vanellus 4) Lobivanellus: indicus, macropterus, senegallus, duvaucelii, miles (+novaehollandiae), crassirostris 5) Chettusia: (i) spinosus, albiceps, armatus (ii) tricolor, tectus...
  8. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Hoplopterus?
  9. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    That seems a little more sane than a plethora of mostly monotypic genera.😁
  10. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Lots to think about around the Charadrii this morning eg: Southern hemisphere origins for the various clades within the group. Whatever happened to the presumably North American link between vanellus and chilensis/resplendens? It looks like a Charadrius (Kildeer) has stepped into the gap...
  11. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    🤷
  12. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Hoploxypterus for cayanus. Vanellus for vanellus, chilensis and resplendens. Who knows for the rest.
  13. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Back down to Earth with a bang! Thanks Laurent👍
  14. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Yes, also subfamily for Oreopholus? For personal reasons. It's on my list and a pretty cool bird🙂
  15. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Oui! The prodigal plovers return home.😆
  16. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Hemerodromus for cinctus, and Macrotarsius for bitorquatus would be a good place to start.
  17. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    But of course! Don't get hung up on bill shape. What these guys all have in common is that they've diverged early on from the plover norm. Plovers run a few steps and pause and look, and so on. You can't use this strategy if you're foraging for shellfish on tidal rocks, or tiny shrimps in lakes...
  18. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Me too. I suspect most folk will prefer a subjective "what feels right" approach.
  19. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Already split the rest of this Family in my own list. Feels somewhat heretical.🙂 But the part of me that puts the oystercatchers in Recurvirostridae says "Yeah? So what!".
  20. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    Look at Lymnocryptes and Rhinoptilus!! 😲😲😲
  21. Acanthis

    Gruiformes and Charadriiformes

    I am indeed hallucinating!! "Haematopodoidea"? I have a simpler solution 😉 Finally! Someone tackling Vanellus. And Oreopholus way out there by itself. Great stuff!
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