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  1. l_raty

    Turdidae

    I know I'm a bit of a pain, but is there evidence of a ZooBank registration in the paper ?
  2. l_raty

    Turdidae

    As I said -- you (or any ornithologist or group of ornithologists) could publish such a note, but it would not have the force to stop someone, who would hold the subjective opinion that when Selby writes 'types', he does not mean 'types', from accepting Gray's designation. In principle, the...
  3. l_raty

    Turdidae

    Gray's designation is valid in the eye of those who think it is. ;) Nomenclature is supposed to work at any time through the application of the current Code by current name users. A publication on the past fixation of a type could of course help convince a majority of current name users to...
  4. l_raty

    Turdidae

    Alauda : Opinion 67 (1916) accepted a designation by Swainson 1827, this was corrected to Selby 1825 in Direction 44 (1956). Coracias : Opinion 404 (1956) accepted a designation by Selby 1825. I'm not arguing about the validity of this particular name. I'm just saying that, in this case (as...
  5. l_raty

    Turdidae

    But the Commission nevertheless accepted it in two cases. Some later authors also occasionally listed several types for a single genus, this does not stop us from accepting their other designations. E.g., see Alectrophasis and Satyra in Gray 1840.
  6. l_raty

    Turdidae

    The simple fact of using the name "Blackbird" in front of the genus Turdus, of course, no. But putting "Blackbird" in front of Turdus in a list titled "Types of the genera" and adding on a subsequent page (the link you deleted when quoting my post) that "Blackbird" is Turdus merula L., arguably...
  7. l_raty

    Turdidae

    In my reading Turdus merula is the type of Turdus by designation of Selby 1825 (xxix, xxxii). (This is clearly before the designation of T. viscivorus by Gray 1840, which is usually accepted.) Merula itself is a complicated case. The Merula referred to by Voelker et al in Niels's extract would...
  8. l_raty

    Turdidae

    Being cited 'first' does not give a species more 'right' to become the type. (musicus was cited by Webb & Berthelot from Linnaeus 1766 [the page number they cited matches this edition of Syst. nat.], but not as a deliberate adoption of a misidentification of the name: the type of the...
  9. l_raty

    Turdidae

    "Sephanoides sephanoides" has certainly been used (as well as -- for the same bird -- "Stephanoides stephanoides"...), but I guess this is cheating... ;)
  10. l_raty

    Turdidae

    They both date from Linnaeus 1758, thus a first reviser action is needed. I think the FR was Temminck 1815 https://archive.org/stream/manueldornithol00natugoog#page/n306/mode/2up , who used Alcedo ispida as valid and listed Gracula athis [sic] in its synonymy (albeit he attributed both names to...
  11. l_raty

    Turdidae

    Sylvia is restricted to atricapilla, borin, dohrni and abyssinica in H&M4 (whitethroats are in Curruca).
  12. l_raty

    Turdidae

    Sylvia is no problem -- the species designated by Selby was not one of the species included by Scopoli (Sylvia luscinia, S. curruca, S. atricapilla, S. oenanthe, S. rubecula, S. phoenicurus, S. tithys, S. zya, S. muscipeta, S. rubetra, S. trochilus, S. troglodytes, S. regulus), hence his...
  13. l_raty

    Turdidae

    Yes if you take the type fixation from: Gray GR. 1840. A list of the genera of birds, with an indication of the typical species of each genus. R and JE Taylor, London.; p. 27; https://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/13668921 -- as is done conventionally. Fifteen years earlier, Prideaux John Selby...
  14. l_raty

    Turdidae

    Hylocichla was used as the (only) outgroup to root an assumed monophyletic Catharus. To test the reciprocal monophyly of Catharus and Hylocichla, some more distant outgroup taxon/taxa would be needed, which would root the [Catharus + Hylocichla] clade; in the absence of such a more distant...
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