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  1. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    Fig 2A shows the families with 25 or more members in the tree. It looks like the ordinal topology is the Stiller et al (2024) one. I can't tell for certain if it's exactly the same, but there seem to be small unlabelled branches in the right places. I'm assuming this is not entirely because...
  2. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    I'm assuming you should be able to view the tree at Open Tree of Life, at least when the paper is published. Not sure if it's loaded yet or how to check the paper version versus the live OTT version. The current tree for Aves has Caprimulgimorphae as the first neoavian branch. If you look at...
  3. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    They describe the composition and reason for name.
  4. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    Fig 2 needs that "Passeriformes (see Extended Data Fig. 2)" terminal changed to Fig 3. I note in Fig 3 you have Tichodroma in Sittidae rather than Tichodromidae, making Sittidae paraphyletic. Similarly for Chloropsis in Irenidae. I assume this is because you are using H&M4 families, but this...
  5. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    The Extended Data Fig 3 has the Passeriformes families labelled and has a timescale.
  6. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    The links are not working for me. This seems a report on two papers, but the links to the Nature and PNAS papers are not working there either. https://www.sci.news/biology/bird-family-tree-12811.html
  7. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    Another paper dating diversification of birds. I include it here because of the above discussion. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2023.2618
  8. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    Even if you don't use ranks, the endings give an idea of the hierarchy. You know a clade named somethingmorphae includes clades named somethingformes and anotherformes. With those other names there is no clue as to relative place in the hierarchy. It makes it much easier to remember the...
  9. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    That's what Jarvis et al (2014) used. Was it new in that paper or does it have a longer history? Why do you object to a -morphae ending? It seems appropriate to use a superorder ending to match all the others: Columbimorphae, Otidimorphae, Caprimulgimorphae, etc..
  10. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    It says bootstrap support numbers >90% not shown. While there is something appealing about a fundamental terrestrial and water bird split (like in Galloanserae), I do wonder about the method. They use a neighbour-joining algorithm on a dataset where they had eliminated one type of data (CNEE)...
  11. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    Columbaves was also recovered in Kuhl et al (2021), where it was sister to Strisores + hoatzin. They also recover Gruimorphae (Gruiformes + Charadriiformes), which was also recovered in Jarvis et al (2014) and Kuhl et al (2021). They say their raptor grouping Hieraves is novel but that turned...
  12. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    It seems to just add another analysis to the many showing different datasets and analysis methods get different results. Their retroelement results reproduce a tree with some oddities, but when combined with introns and UCEs is confirms some of the clades in the Jarvis TENT tree (ML). Total...
  13. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    I can't access the article, but there is a preprint. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.17.444565v1 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351673309_Categorical_edge-based_analyses_of_phylogenomic_data_reveal_conflicting_signals_for_difficult_relationships_in_the_avian_tree
  14. J

    Phylogeny of birds

    Neither link works for me (one gave a security warning). The full text is here though. https://www.intechopen.com/online-first/dna-analyses-have-revolutionized-studies-on-the-taxonomy-and-evolution-in-birds
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