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Etymology of some Auks
Yes, Mark, you apparently haven´t read the full thread … no wonder, it is looooong. ;) The first mentioning ever of his name (yes, as "Francs", as noted way back, in post No. #34) is not really by Leach. It´s from a series of short notes ;"Exctract from the Minute-Book of the Society" where the...- Björn Bergenholtz
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- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
You´re welcome, James! Sorry, I couldn´t stay away! When you confirmed that this ball is rolling it´s simply impossible to keep ones fingers still … I knew it! Or at least I had a hunch ... I did thought so! francsii ● … in the invalid "Uria Francsii" LEACH 1819 [syn. Uria lomvia LINNAEUS...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #54
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
Ok, James ... So he did was present, hiding under (a now deleted?) "franksii", and not, like today, under francsii … that´s why I couldn’t find him in the HBW Alive Key! I hope you noted my several question-marks in Post No. #50. I´m also reluctant if "our" Frederick Franks is, or was, in any...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #52
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
Just a suggestion … I saw that Jobling is hesitating, or reluctant, regarding Mr. Franks (or Francs) in … ● francsii (see post No. #34, #35 and# 41) … this eponym is, at this point, not even included in his HBW Alive Key? Can we be looking for this" Captain Frederick Franks R.N." (Royal...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #50
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
... and tejst in Swedish dialect's, on the West Coast! In line with its Norwegian teist and Icelandic teista (þeisti alt. þeista). Even the Danes call it tejst or tejste. It is probably an Old Norse name [for the Black Guillemot (Uria) Cepphus grylle], most likely onomatopetic after its fine...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #49
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
Round off ... Time to "wrap it up" ... Who could have expected this, a tread of this many posts regarding various etymologies of Auks … I sure didn´t! It all started with one single eponym, a simple try hoping to figure out and trace down the latter, that certain Swedish Arch Bishop!? I sure...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #47
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
Continuation of the last one ... ... the invalid "Colymbus Troille" LINNAEUS 1761 and "Colymbus Troile" LINNAEUS 1766 [syn. Uria lomvia LINNAEUS 1758] The simple reason why Linnaeus didn´t place this bird with the other Auks in Alca was that he had no experience of this species himself (not in...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #46
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
And finally (!) the one, the very one eponym that started me on this whole, lingering, seemingly "never-ending" thread: troille/troile ● … in the invalid "Colymbus Troille" LINNAEUS 1761, "Uria Troille" BRÜNNICH 1864 and the subsequent (misspelled or not) "Colymbus Troile" LINNAEUS 1766 [all...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #45
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Etymology of some Auks
Yet another amendment Commenting myself ... even if not important regarding the Auks. :h?: Slip of tounge. Of course not a relative of his "wife" (i. e. Emilie Wilhelmine, born Ernst) ... Peter Motzfeldt (1910-1971) is most likely a late relative of them both. PS. Obituary of him (here), in...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #44
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
On the "Mansfeld" subject (if there ever was such a person!?) I have nothing to add, though I find it a very odd typo, or missrememberance!? However; "Mansfeld" will be left in the shades (... at least by me). Once again: thanks! ---- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #43
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
Superb work, Laurent! motzfeldi ● … the invalid "Uria motzfeldi" BENICKEN 1824 [syn. Cepphus grylle LINNAEUS 1758]. = the Norwegian (alt. Norwegian-Danish?), Danish Civil servant, Trade Inspector (in North-Eastern Greenland) Peter Hanning Motzfeldt (1774–1835), Director of the Kgl. Grønlandske...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #42
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
Amendment due to slippery fingers … Thanks Laurent for pointing out the obvious! ;) francsii ● … in the invalid "Uria Francsii" = the fairly unknown British military/naval Captain (in the Royal Navy) Frederick Franks (fl. 1844), who also could call himself; printmaker; painter...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #41
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
And now some (of many, many, many) synonyms ... We´re getting close to the end of this lengthy tread, so let´s deal with some synonyms! Note: there are loads and loads of synonyms on these various Auks. Even Synonyms of Synonyms on several species. The great Elliott Coues wrote in 1868...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #34
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
Thanks Laurent, I expected that answer! ;) I simply missed, didn´t find, the 1811 issue ... Ok, good, nothing to question here: "Cepphus Arra" = today's Uria lomvia arra PALLAS 1811 Though I don´t reallly understand why Pallas wrote that particular sentence; … the preceeding one was...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #32
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
And one single subspecies ... Here´s one single name of all the various Auk subspecies where I think I might have something to add ... arra ● in the subspecies Uria lomvia arra PALLAS (1811 … ?) as "Cepphus Arra" ["In Camtschatca communi, cum praecedente, nomine vocatur Arra."] a k a "Pallas's...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #30
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Etymology of some Auks
Pushing on ... Nutcracker, You´re right as fa as Denmark isn´t mentioned in that particular sentence … The book by Pontoppidan is called "Danske Atlas" ("Danish Atlas", for the full title, see Post No. #20) and the Chapter (where "Aalge" appear) is "Om Land- og Wand-Fuglene i Dannemark" (On...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #29
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
I don´t follow ... "Nutcracker", why should Iceland be a "better-suported type locality"? Iceland is, by far, the double size of Denmark. Making "Iceland" the more extensive (and vague) location of those two.- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #27
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
Aalge continuation … Sorry for the wrong link! But everybody seem to have found the right page anyway ;) Nutcracker; you missed the (most important) word "og" in your suggested, "possible" translation, which means also. That the tiny word that started me to question the type location! Thanks...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #24
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Etymology of some Auks
More Guillemots And now it´s time for the even more mixed-up and confusing Guillemots … or Murres! Uria ● the Generic name Uria BRISSON 1760 = (here simply trusting the HBW Alive Key) from the Greek ουρια ouria, an unspecified waterfowl mentioned by the Greek Author and rhetorician Athenaeus...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #20
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
Thanks Edward! I expected that! But I had to ask ... simply as a long-shot. The tyrðill: Case closed! Cheers!- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #19
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Etymology of some Auks
Auk continuation ... Let´s return to the subject, to the Auks, and the even more tricky ones, the various Guillemots: We´ll start with the species that Linnaeus was most familiar with, the one already mentioned, todays Black Guillemot Cepphus grylle LINNAEUS 1758 … Cepphus ● the Generic name...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #17
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
The Islandic little "tyrðil" ... Welcome to the Bird Name Etymology Forum, Edward! Intersting addition ... Can the ending -il/-ill, in "tyrðil" alt. "tyrðill" maybe be an Islandic diminutive form of "tyrð"? If so haftyrðill migth, could, maybe (!?); mean something like: A "little Sea lump"...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #13
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
What can I say ... Like I wrote; "I think ...", but Laurent knows! Understanding Latin seem like a wonderful thing ... Suddenly the history behind alle got funny! Who could have seen that one coming!? Laurent, I´m glad you´re in "the Crew"! :t: PS. Lucky for me Mr. Albin didn´t confuse any...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #11
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
No wonder, Niels ... ... it´s very old-school Danish, now clearly out-dated, (today replaced by Lomvie and alk) nowaday's it´s only present as the origin of the scientific name for the Common Guillemot/Murre Uria aalge PONTOPPIDAN 1763 We´ll get there soon ... Although, don´t you agree, that...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #7
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology
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Etymology of some Auks
And the third Auk species … … is a bit more complicated! Alle & alle ● in Little auk Alle alle LINNAEUS 1758 as "Alca Alle" (Generic name Alle LINK 1806) a k a " "dovekie" According to the HBW Alive Key today: I actually don´t think (!?) this name has anything at all to do with the Lapp name...- Björn Bergenholtz
- Post #4
- Forum: Bird Name Etymology